Pyschological addiction to AAS

[T L]

i just got off trt at 26 old now, been on 2 years, last year without hcg, didnt do any pct, first month i was tired but now feel great. i would never do pct, makes me feel terrible.
havent lost much gains..
feel great mentaly&physicaly
pct is just something that everyone parrots on the boards but nobody tried without so no one knows

From what I understand: PCT is only intended to speed up the process of recovery. That means, if you aren’t going to recover, then you aren’t going to recover even with nolva/clomid.

Happy to hear your success story. I have debated coming off without PCT due to the hepatotoxicity of Clomid/Nolva. (I avoid anything hard on the liver overall.) But, Dr. Scally’s opinions on PCT has made me weary to come off without it

 

[ITALYAAS]

From what I understand: PCT is only intended to speed up the process of recovery. That means, if you aren’t going to recover, then you aren’t going to recover even with nolva/clomid.

Happy to hear your success story. I have debated coming off without PCT due to the hepatotoxicity of Clomid/Nolva. (I avoid anything hard on the liver overall.) But, Dr. Scally’s opinions on PCT has made me weary to come off without it

Which is Dr Scally opinion on pct?

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

Which is Dr Scally opinion on pct?

I feel like people are going to stone you for this.

Check. The stickies under pct section.

 

[kosp]

I feel like people are going to stone you for this.

Check. The stickies under pct section.

HCG is the most important thing for recovery, not letting your balls shrink is the key.

With SERMs I have a doubt, they obviously boost LH/FSH signaling but, is this the "necessary" push that your HPTA needs in order to restore after coming off? Or just a temporary effect of the drug? I mean, does it really make a difference?

 

[ludi_janez]

i agree on the hcg. last time i went off without and it was a bit rough but eventually i got through it. When your balls drop and you start producing all the hormones again you can feel really good.
I just started a new cycle yesterday and cant wait for my hcg to arrive and to start using it. However, i think it should be used at a low dose for long periods. Maybe at the end blast for a couple days, like for example 500iu last 3 days.

 

[kosp]

i agree on the hcg. last time i went off without and it was a bit rough but eventually i got through it. When your balls drop and you start producing all the hormones again you can feel really good.
I just started a new cycle yesterday and cant wait for my hcg to arrive and to start using it. However, i think it should be used at a low dose for long periods. Maybe at the end blast for a couple days, like for example 500iu last 3 days.

I usually buy bottles of 1500ui, I spend one of these every 2 weeks (750ui weekly / 2 injections). From week 2 of the cycle to the end.

 

[kosp]

but I have used higher dose, it´s really annoying to split that little one, for a shorter time in the end and also really good, never felt like pct or whatsoever, maybe one weird week

 

[ludi_janez]

yes i feel like 750iu per week is very good dose. did you use any serm when coming off, i guess no?

 

[kosp]

yes i feel like 750iu per week is very good dose. did you use any serm when coming off, i guess no?

After all roids cleared, classic 4 weeks nolva/clomid 20/50, it did good, for now I keep using serms

 

[Doomotek]

You're right that PCT is mainly about speeding up recovery, not guaranteeing it. If the body isn't ready to recover, it might not happen, even with Nolva or Clomid. I get where you're coming from about the liver—Clomid and Nolva can be challenging. I’ve thought about skipping PCT, too, especially with the concerns about liver stress, but like you, Dr. Scally’s views on PCT have made me hesitant to go without it.