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Im very cultured, I’ve been all over the world. My bubble is the world. I’m trying to keep up with what’s going on in the world rather than settling on the idea that “China is ripping us off and selling us junk gear with floaters.” What you’ve learned based on your experience is just a small pixel of the big picture.

You can bash China all you want but the fact remains, they are the manufacturing leaders in the world. You don’t have to like it. You can be mad that a lot of junk gets produced there, but they have the resources and the infrastructure to be the leaders in manufacturing. China has been focusing on quantity over quality, but with time, quality can improve. The model T didn’t come off the line perfectly.

But you continue to post on this retard board even though you “don’t post on this retard board.”
In the end, it doesn't even matter.
People will be people, where for a decent amount of people, reality never gets to hit harder than outlook.
China will be china and they will continue to produce the good stuff cheaper than the US.
The US will be the US, where politicians will continue to make gains telling people to hate Chinese trade policies.
Meso will continue to be Meso, where Some random noob asks a question that has been asked one million times and will be chewed out by some vets.
QSC thread will continue to be QSC thread and some rando old timer will pop out of the blue asking: "is QSC gone? I sent messages but no reply....", while a few others are wondering why it's 4070 pages and Tracy isn't back..
 
Im very cultured, I’ve been all over the world. My bubble is the world.
vacations don't count
You can bash China all you want but the fact remains, they are the manufacturing leaders in the world.
because they use slave labor and have extremely low standards , they aren't "leaders" of manufacturing they just produce things cheaply by cutting corners and no worker protections. this is from decades of communism.
You don’t have to like it. You can be mad that a lot of junk gets produced there, but they have the resources and the infrastructure to be the leaders in manufacturing.
their infrastructure is shit. Producing things cheaply with no oversight does not make them "leaders"
China has been focusing on quantity over quality, but with time, quality can improve. The model T didn’t come off the line perfectly.
this analogy would work if they attempted to make their products perfectly, my point is that trying to produce good products is not in their goal.

They scam their own people to save a penny, imagine what an illegal business does to foreigners (which they hate)


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSBgHRum9jw


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNTO5OfINro
 
vacations don't count

because they use slave labor and have extremely low standards , they aren't "leaders" of manufacturing they just produce things cheaply by cutting corners and no worker protections. this is from decades of communism.

their infrastructure is shit. Producing things cheaply with no oversight does not make them "leaders"

this analogy would work if they attempted to make their products perfectly, my point is that trying to produce good products is not in their goal.

They scam their own people to save a penny, imagine what an illegal business does to foreigners (which they hate)


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSBgHRum9jw


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNTO5OfINro


They are the leaders in making shit for cheap… and you nailed the reasons why.

And now some of their manufacturing is the best, because there are no more alternatives. Good luck for instance finding cameras/lenses made in USA at any price... stuff like that should be excluded from tariffs, or at least the tariffs phased in over years so companies can at least consider the cost of opening production facilities in the USA.
 
vacations don't count

because they use slave labor and have extremely low standards , they aren't "leaders" of manufacturing they just produce things cheaply by cutting corners and no worker protections. this is from decades of communism.

their infrastructure is shit. Producing things cheaply with no oversight does not make them "leaders"

this analogy would work if they attempted to make their products perfectly, my point is that trying to produce good products is not in their goal.

They scam their own people to save a penny, imagine what an illegal business does to foreigners (which they hate)


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSBgHRum9jw


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNTO5OfINro

I’m not going to run through a chronological timeline of where I’ve LIVED because I don’t need to share my experiences or prove anything to someone on a steroid message board. Im not trying to say I’m some sort of expert on global trade either. I just try to stay humble and keep an open mind. When you live in another country and adopt their mindset and cultures, you can better understand why things are the way they are. I haven’t lived in China, but I’ve spent time (living) in a couple Asian countries and I have friends who have lived in China. China is the big player over there and they deserve some credit for what they’ve become. China has their own business model to produce as much as possible. It does indeed come with a cost and they certainly do scam their own people from a western perspective. The vast majority of Chinese people are very proud of themselves and the work they do, even though they’re just a small cog in the big machine. The bus drivers who bring people from the north to the south, working 12 hours a day and sleeping on the bus between shifts are very proud of what they do. They don’t feel like slaves, they feel like they are an important part of the country. Chinas middle class has grown significantly over the past 30 years, this is evident when you travel anywhere nowadays and see Chinese people by the bus loads. They’re all “new money,” and they lack manners and respect. But they’re getting out and seeing the world for themselves now, something that generations before them never did. I’d say that’s a step in the right direction. Maybe that’s why you hate them so much? Did one of them bump into you and not say, “excuse me.”


It’s easy to judge them and cherry pick the ugly side. Try looking at what they’ve become in the last century. They’ll continue to grow and change. I personally feel like cutting them off would be a disadvantage to everyone. I’d rather keep things open and keep them accountable.
 
Saw a story on German public TV a while back.

The Chinese used a number of communist party controlled front companies to invest in a number of heavy equipment manufacturers, and all their parts suppliers.

They required that their own engineers be permitted to work at the various companies and TLDR, over several years, without regard for patents protecting the tech, "stole" the entire industrial complex by recreating it in a "blank slate" newly built town in China, sold off their stakes to unwitting investors in Germany, then undercut those companies making them completely uncompetitive, putting them out of business.

Turned out all the acquisitions were coordinated by agents working out of the Chinese embassy.

Essentially practicing a kind of communist totalitarian economic warfare by pretending to practice capitalism, but unchecked by the rules democratic countries (and China) agreed to abide by to prevent the worst excesses.
 
Say what you want about the Chinese, but their PEDs have been great until recently and every one loves a lo mein too....

Dunno what you're all squabbling. Who gives fuck about who makes the best camera lens - which mother fuckers getting us the most jacked?
 
hello,
I bought HGH, TB500, and BPC 157 last November. I've kept the vials in a cupboard at room temperature until now. Can the peptides still be used, or are they no longer usable?
 
I’m not going to run through a chronological timeline of where I’ve LIVED because I don’t need to share my experiences or prove anything to someone on a steroid message board. Im not trying to say I’m some sort of expert on global trade either. I just try to stay humble and keep an open mind. When you live in another country and adopt their mindset and cultures, you can better understand why things are the way they are. I haven’t lived in China, but I’ve spent time (living) in a couple Asian countries and I have friends who have lived in China. China is the big player over there and they deserve some credit for what they’ve become. China has their own business model to produce as much as possible. It does indeed come with a cost and they certainly do scam their own people from a western perspective. The vast majority of Chinese people are very proud of themselves and the work they do, even though they’re just a small cog in the big machine. The bus drivers who bring people from the north to the south, working 12 hours a day and sleeping on the bus between shifts are very proud of what they do. They don’t feel like slaves, they feel like they are an important part of the country. Chinas middle class has grown significantly over the past 30 years, this is evident when you travel anywhere nowadays and see Chinese people by the bus loads. They’re all “new money,” and they lack manners and respect. But they’re getting out and seeing the world for themselves now, something that generations before them never did. I’d say that’s a step in the right direction. Maybe that’s why you hate them so much? Did one of them bump into you and not say, “excuse me.”


It’s easy to judge them and cherry pick the ugly side. Try looking at what they’ve become in the last century. They’ll continue to grow and change. I personally feel like cutting them off would be a disadvantage to everyone. I’d rather keep things open and keep them accountable.
its impressive how you turn poisoning the world through exploitation (both of their own people and the worlds business/trade/laws) into a narrative about hardworkers from the countryside becoming middle class and seeing the world. A humble bus driver happy to do his days work.

you should work in PR,. that painted a sympathetic picture for a country completely broken from communism.

This type of thinking you have, if genuine, is western "suicidal empathy".

They are heavily censored, propagandized and so xenophobic your head would spin. yet you come on here defending people that wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

i will generalize, because they are pretty homogenous, thats what you get in countries outside of the U.S. If every university has a cheating ring, every company has a story/scandal relating to business in china and all of the countries around the world have to be more suspicious if their exports/trade practices, MAYBE there is a reason for it.

I'm not ignoring the generations of propaganda and policies that led to this behavior, can't just give them money and a handshake and expect anything different than what the entire rest of the world has experienced for decades.

How these sources talk to you, their customer service, business practices, their attitude, its not satire. its not a fun subversion of expectations, its not like a sassy Wendys Twitter account, its genuine. They tell you to eat shit, they mean it, why would you buy from someone who doesn't respect their customer? This isn't edgey american banter, its genuine
 
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Saw a story on German public TV a while back.

The Chinese used a number of communist party controlled front companies to invest in a number of heavy equipment manufacturers, and all their parts suppliers.

They required that their own engineers be permitted to work at the various companies and TLDR, over several years, without regard for patents protecting the tech, "stole" the entire industrial complex by recreating it in a "blank slate" newly built town in China, sold off their stakes to unwitting investors in Germany, then undercut those companies making them completely uncompetitive, putting them out of business.

Turned out all the acquisitions were coordinated by agents working out of the Chinese embassy.

Essentially practicing a kind of communist totalitarian economic warfare by pretending to practice capitalism, but unchecked by the rules democratic countries (and China) agreed to abide by to prevent the worst

Saw a story on German public TV a while back.

The Chinese used a number of communist party controlled front companies to invest in a number of heavy equipment manufacturers, and all their parts suppliers.

They required that their own engineers be permitted to work at the various companies and TLDR, over several years, without regard for patents protecting the tech, "stole" the entire industrial complex by recreating it in a "blank slate" newly built town in China, sold off their stakes to unwitting investors in Germany, then undercut those companies making them completely uncompetitive, putting them out of business.

Turned out all the acquisitions were coordinated by agents working out of the Chinese embassy.

Essentially practicing a kind of communist totalitarian economic warfare by pretending to practice capitalism, but unchecked by the rules democratic countries (and China) agreed to abide by to prevent the worst excesses.
Governments hate them for this one simple trick… Economic espionage.

This is the real reason we’re having a trade war with China. It’s not about fentanyl or alibaba selling crap direct to customers. Its not about low quality products or unfair tariffs/trade deals. It’s because China is sabotaging big businesses. The wealthy elite are pissed off because they got hoodwinked by China.
 
its impressive how you turn poisoning the world through exploitation (both of their own people and the worlds business/trade/laws) into a narrative about hardworkers from the countryside becoming middle class and seeing the world. A humble bus driver happy to do his days work.

you should work in PR,. that painted a sympathetic picture for a country completely broken from communism.

This type of thinking you have, if genuine, is western "suicidal empathy".

They are heavily censored, propagandized and so xenophobic your head would spin. yet you come on here defending people that wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

i will generalize, because they are pretty homogenous, thats what you get in countries outside of the U.S. If every university has a cheating ring, every company has a story/scandal relating to business in china and all of the countries around the world have to be more suspicious if their exports/trade practices, MAYBE there is a reason for it.

I'm not blaming the individual but I'm not ignoring the generations of propaganda and policies that led to this behavior
It’s crazy that I don’t disagree with you, but I also don’t share the same sentiments as you.

I’m not trying to defend them, I’m just pointing out the “good” things that China has done, things that their people are proud of. I’ve only ever heard people in the United States and other western countries complain about china, usually people who have no direct dealings with them or no real knowledge of Chinese business practices or customs. The real business operators I’ve spoken with have very little to say negatively about china. Especially the ones who deal exclusively with china. They’re all happy. It’s like they found the Silk Road and they’re the new nabobs of the west. Maybe they just haven’t been burned yet.

Again, I don’t disagree with you. I just don’t feel the same way you do and until we find a better alternative, China seems to be a reasonable business partner.
 
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