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Gosh darn it. I may just be convinced. Ghoul, can you please link me to your thread or comment explaining what to acquire to do this? Would a vial spike suffice or should I just go for a syringe filter?

Sorry I’m being lazy and asking.

Spikes, 5um, are sufficient (and convenient) for removing subvisible particulates that I suspect are the source of a lot of PIP from oils (rubber shed from the stopper, glass delamination fragments, filter fibers) but if you're concerned about sterility(I don't think this is an issue most of the time), you'd need to use a 25-33mm .22um syringe filter and refilter the entire contents into a fresh vial.

For peptides, a very low liquid retaining .2um PES syringefilter, 13mm or 4mm, is needed to remove the undissolved excipients and large immune reaction inducing protein aggregates that I think are responsible for most peptide PIP. Make certain it specifies "low protein binding", since some PES filters have a static charge that makes them hang onto protein, which you definitely don't want. Probably a good idea to keep some larger 25mm PES filters on hand, because I've discovered some peptides are so "dirty" they clog a 13mm filter in .5ml or less, when they should be good for 4-5ml of liquid. Any PES membrane will work. but "Supor" is considered the best.

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Mannitol.
Same way the $100 bill isn't 100 x size of $1 bill
do you have a list of any other excipients you guys add to your HGH? curious if @janoshik can identify and quantify any of it? queue in the Kurt Havens video

Serostim vs popular chinese UGL hgh since the "anabolic bodybuilding" crew and "experts" over there discuss UGL containing "polymers" probably just mannitol...

"its all the additives added to UGL hgh that change the daltons, molecular weight of the hgh, that effect absorption" - Big Paul

"when you then add Biloxone, polymers and all these other fillers it doesnt seem to absorb at the same rate, and youve changed the molecular weight of the whole thing" -Kurt Havens

"I lost 10lbs in one week when i switched back and forth from Serostim to Generics" -Chase Irons (he mentioned on instagram it was QSC hgh lol)



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K14hh2SPMNE&t=114s
 
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Sorry bro, I double checked and the tops are not clear and a light grey color. I do have green tops like you have, but they are test cyp and you didn't order any cyp.
I appreciate you checking man that helps me at least know the cap colors are pretty random so I’ll have to probably do some of my own testing to figure it out. I’ll probably at least figure out which ones are sustanon, mast p, and primo with the roid test kit if I’m lucky. the other two will just have to remain a mystery, I’ve ran ment before so hopefully I can figure out which one is ment from anecdotal testing then if I’m lucky I’ll have an idea which one is dhb at that point.

Lesson learned, learn from my mistakes guys don’t separate your oils from your boxes until you’re absolutely sure which one is what which and email qsc if you have questions before you do that. I may make another order sometime during a promo but I really wish there was some sort of standard for labeling the vials at qsc even if the labels were just random numbers or a QR code on the vials or caps would be awesome.
 
I appreciate you checking man that helps me at least know the cap colors are pretty random so I’ll have to probably do some of my own testing to figure it out. I’ll probably at least figure out which ones are sustanon, mast p, and primo with the roid test kit if I’m lucky. the other two will just have to remain a mystery, I’ve ran ment before so hopefully I can figure out which one is ment from anecdotal testing then if I’m lucky I’ll have an idea which one is dhb at that point.

Lesson learned, learn from my mistakes guys don’t separate your oils from your boxes until you’re absolutely sure which one is what which and email qsc if you have questions before you do that. I may make another order sometime during a promo but I really wish there was some sort of standard for labeling the vials at qsc even if the labels were just random numbers or a QR code on the vials or caps would be awesome.
@janoshik has a cheaper test where he will identify the substance and not give a number

You already know which one is tren.

Test the rest of the 4/5 to figure out what they are to save 60 dollars.

you can figure out what what the 1/5 is based off of the other results.

60 dollars to ship(from US)

240 to test.

300 dolalrs to identify.


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@janoshik has a cheaper test where he will identify the substance and not give a number

You already know which one is tren.

Test the rest of the 4/5 to figure out what they are to save 60 dollars.

you can figure out what what the 1/5 is based off of the other results.

60 dollars to ship(from US)

240 to test.

300 dolalrs to identify.


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Thanks man I’ll definitely check this out as an option as well. Any suggestions I’m definitely open to at this point.
 
Filter my own test?

At that point I might aswell brew my own. Fucking walter white over here.
Well, it’s priced so cheap that you can viably do that as well. I just don’t want to graduate to the level of risk, myself. And don’t want to buy the equipment for brewing. So super cheap oils from QSC and filtering makes more sense for me.

I have always felt leery of ordering raws and brewing myself. I figure I am likely to get in more trouble with law enforcement by brewing raws than I am ordering finished oils. Brewing just seems like risky operation. Filtering dirt cheap vials seems like a better option for most imo.

I’m not sure if actually producing/manufacturing raws into oils carries a heavier sentence if caught. I love my gears but these wrists ain’t made for cuffs.
 
Thanks man I’ll definitely check this out as an option as well. Any suggestions I’m definitely open to at this point.

Top colors don't change like a kaleidoscope, despite the disclaimer. If they did, what use are the lab reports that specify tops? Just wait for more touchdown reports in the next week or so and ask for the top colors as members chime in with their reports of getting their orders.

Hopefully the top colors will stabilize. If customs takes an interest, they're not going to be fooled by top colors or lack of a label. "Oh, this must be something wholesome!"
 
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Well, it’s priced so cheap that you can viably do that as well. I just don’t want to graduate to the level of risk, myself. And don’t want to buy the equipment for brewing. So super cheap oils from QSC and filtering makes more sense for me.

I have always felt leery of ordering raws and brewing myself. I figure I am likely to get in more trouble with law enforcement by brewing raws than I am ordering finished oils. Brewing just seems like risky operation. Filtering dirt cheap vials seems like a better option for most imo.

I’m not sure if actually producing/manufacturing raws into oils carries a heavier sentence if caught. I love my gears but these wrists ain’t made for cuffs.

Although in reality enforcement is rare and done with a "light touch", in theory possession of Sched 3 drugs could land you in cuffs, court, and probation, while manufacturing Sched 3 of any amount, again in theory, could be prosecuted much more harshly, with very high mandatory minimums. It's a "top of the food chain" drug crime. But again, better to look at the big (multi million $) steroid dealing/manufacturing busts in recent years to see what really happens. (to first offenders, not much).

I'd be most worried about stepping out, god forbid my place catching fire, and the "lab" being discovered by authorities in my absence.
 
do you have a list of any other excipients you guys add to your HGH? curious if @janoshik can identify and quantify any of it? queue in the Kurt Havens video

Serostim vs popular chinese UGL hgh since the "anabolic bodybuilding" crew and "experts" over there discuss UGL containing "polymers" probably just mannitol...

"its all the additives added to UGL hgh that change the daltons, molecular weight of the hgh, that effect absorption" - Big Paul

"when you then add Biloxone, polymers and all these other fillers it doesnt seem to absorb at the same rate, and youve changed the molecular weight of the whole thing" -Kurt Havens

"I lost 10lbs in one week when i switched back and forth from Serostim to Generics" -Chase Irons (he mentioned on instagram it was QSC hgh lol)



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K14hh2SPMNE&t=114s


We only use mannitol.
If the other excipients aren’t mentionned to janoshik it will be considered as impurity.
I remember that our past peptide engineer used to use Glycine so when we switched to him, janoshik sent us some low purity results, so when we told him that we were using Glycine excipient in these he verified the pic and it was adjusted.
And it was funny by then because he were able to detect our samples just from Glycine ratio and even can guess the resellers of our stuff.
But the engineer made a mess in 2023 and with the new one we only use mannitol.
 
Two excipient ingredient examples from pharma:

Norditropin

histidine
poloxamer 188
phenol
mannitol

Genotropin

glycine
mannitol
metacresol

Histidine and metacresol are especially significant.

In short they create an environment that prevents peptides from breaking down and reforming into aggregates. I'm not going to go into the aggregate issue here, it's been discussed in depth elsewhere, but if you understand that dimer in HGH is bad, aggregate is "super dimer" that forms after reconstitution. At the least that makes some of the peptide ineffective, can induce side effects, and rarely, can trigger an immunity to HGH that makes it ineffective (happens in about 2% of HGH recipients).

On the other hand, you can be allergic to either of these ingredients, so in that sense, if Qs HGH only has mannitol, it's more "organic" and pure.
 
Two excipient ingredient examples from pharma:

Norditropin

histidine
poloxamer 188
phenol
mannitol

Genotropin

glycine
mannitol
metacresol

Histidine and metacresol are especially significant.

In short they create an environment that prevents peptides from breaking down and reforming into aggregates. I'm not going to go into the aggregate issue here, it's been discussed in depth elsewhere, but if you understand that dimer in HGH is bad, aggregate is "super dimer" that forms after reconstitution. At the least that makes some of the peptide ineffective, can induce side effects, and rarely, can trigger an immunity to HGH that makes it ineffective (happens in about 2% of HGH recipients).

On the other hand, you can be allergic to either of these ingredients, so in that sense, if Qs HGH only has mannitol, it's more "organic" and pure.
Is this a good reason to use a vial per day? Immediately use after reconstitution seems it won’t be susceptible to the same aggregate issue,
 
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