Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic

[dontletheoldmanin]

So is it customary for tracy and another rep to both just stop responding to emails? Especially when u ask them questions and then request an item??

Seems like ive never made it thru an entire order due to them always either stopping comms or just never answering the questions i have..

With respect...
Everyone's afraid of nothing currently and ordering crazy.
Also you might have great questions but then there 1000 others that have a question at the same time.
I got my replies but it took half a day

 

[Blues]

Do take any kind of gear? The reason I ask is, I have never heard of anyone on gear loosing over 16 lbs in one month.

I'm on 150mg Test C per week. And that's that. However, I had around 23% body fat, now it's down to around 17% give or take. Ofcourse those are just rough numbers not exact simply because the tool of measurement is not precise.

 

[Blues]

Nice! Do you track resting heart rate? Curious about any changes

My resting heart rate has been stable since very long time. Around 60 -65. Very seldom it goes up over 70.

 

[Ghoul]

A lot of controversy in the pepworld about cagri stability in the presence of sema.. The back and forth is only rivalled by the fridge vs freezer storage arguments here..

It's understandable, especially if ugl "cagrisema" is simply mixing the two. The longer the amino chain, and especially fragments of degraded peptide or multiple peptides in the same vial, the more locations the can "stick" together to form immune triggering aggregates.

Then again, 99% of peptide users would answer: "How did you decide how much BAC to use" with, essentially, "randomly", because as long as it appears to dissolve, they think it makes no difference to stability or effectiveness.

 

[Here2Learn]

It's understandable, especially if ugl "cagrisema" is simply mixing the two. The longer the amino chain, and especially fragments of degraded peptide or multiple peptides in the same vial, the more locations the can "stick" together to form immune triggering aggregates.

Then again, 99% of peptide users would answer: "How did you decide how much BAC to use" with, essentially, "randomly", because as long as it appears to dissolve, they think it makes no difference to stability or effectiveness.

Will be interesting to see how the SemaCagri study goes.

 

[Rippidy Dippidy]

I don't understand how people can buy powder and not test it.

Blows my mind. What if they mixed it up and mislabeled it? It's cheap to do so. Especially with someone like testosterone.

When they accidently get 50g of Clen instead of Viagra the only thing that'll be hard is their coffin.

 

[BP_6]

When they accidently get 50g of Clen instead of Viagra the only thing that'll be hard is their coffin.

Kind of like when Janoshik said he tested out some clen tabs that were 40mg vs 40mcg. Someone apparently set the machine wrong and it could have been a fatal mistake.

 

[Rippidy Dippidy]

Kind of like when Janoshik said he tested out some clen tabs that were 40mg vs 40mcg. Someone apparently set the machine wrong and it could have been a fatal mistake.

Yup, i remember buying UGL clen from pareto 6 years ago. Collapsed to the ground my heart was pinching almost like a knife went through my chest for 30 seconds thought i was gonna die.
Must of been a fucked up pill. never taking any UGL gear dosed anything under 10mg again.

 

[dontletheoldmanin]

Kind of like when Janoshik said he tested out some clen tabs that were 40mg vs 40mcg. Someone apparently set the machine wrong and it could have been a fatal mistake.

 

[Alias Chosen]

Lol, now I'm really confused. The grey tops with that symbol I have. Maybe that's the primo 100. I'm beginning to suspect the red tops are the cyp, the green are the sus, and the grey are the primo. I will wait for the rep to reply though. I am glad I decided to double check.

This is from oil promo. Rep told me blue top is primo and grey top is test e. But I’m wondering if they just sent me two things of primo because the oils look identical. I’m sending my oils off to Jano to find out.

 

[BP_6]

I had someone with some chemistry knowledge tell me once that when you get down to the small mcg per pill amounts, there are special processes you need to do with the raw materials to make sure the pills are accurately dosed. Don't remember exactly what he said, but I do remember something about a "wet" process.

 

[BP_6]

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This is from oil promo. Rep told me blue top is primo and grey top is test e. But I’m wondering if they just sent me two things of primo because the oils look identical. I’m sending my oils off to Jano to find out.

Well, I got primo 100, Test Cyp, and Sustanon. I was about to just follow what the serials in the email said but then I noticed that two of the red top, which was supposedly the primo 100 had crashed. Although it can, I have personally never seen 100 primo crash. I have many times seen Test Cyp 250 crash which made me suspicious along with the fact that many people reported red top cyp. The Green top was supposedly the cyp but saw someone who ordered sustanon and one of their kits was green top. The 3rd was Grey top with that same symbol that you had which two people have reported it was their primo 100.

So I am waiting back with what the rep says. Scarry thing is I wouldn't have bothered to double check with the rep if it wasn't for the red tops crashing.

 

[Ghoul]

I had someone with some chemistry knowledge tell me once that when you get down to the small mcg per pill amounts, there are special processes you need to do with the raw materials to make sure the pills are accurately dosed. Don't remember exactly what he said, but I do remember something about a "wet" process.

There are dozens of processes involved in properly manufacturing tablets. From carefully formulating the excipient recipe for a specific API, to grinding and sifting different ingredients into precise molecule sizes, to carefully checking dissolution rates in solutions mimicking the digestive process to ensure proper release rates. Pharma engineering students are tested by having to make tablets within specified tolerances, and most fail the first few times.

The complexity is unappreciated because all we see are little pills.

"How hard can it be?"

Reminds me of my buddy the aerospace engineer who told me "Air is only thin when you're standing still.".

 

[bighunanballs]

There are dozens of processes involved in properly manufacturing tablets. From carefully formulating the excipient recipe for a specific API, to grinding and sifting different ingredients into precise molecule sizes, to carefully checking dissolution rates in solutions mimicking the digestive process to ensure proper release rates. Pharma engineering students are tested by having to make tablets within specified tolerances, and most fail the first few times.

The complexity is unappreciated because all we see are little pills.

"How hard can it be?"

Reminds me of my buddy the aerospace engineer who told me "Air is only thin when you're standing still.".

We've got a China source now accurately dosing these MCG tabs now. Prob too little too late since we might see an end to cheap UGL raws for a while

 

[ooohyeah]

Haven't been around since early June. Any big changes? Did I miss anything important? Still shipping to Canada?

 

[BP_6]

There are dozens of processes involved in properly manufacturing tablets. From carefully formulating the excipient recipe for a specific API, to grinding and sifting different ingredients into precise molecule sizes, to carefully checking dissolution rates in solutions mimicking the digestive process to ensure proper release rates. Pharma engineering students are tested by having to make tablets within specified tolerances, and most fail the first few times.

The complexity is unappreciated because all we see are little pills.

"How hard can it be?"

Reminds me of my buddy the aerospace engineer who told me "Air is only thin when you're standing still.".

Good info and that reminds me. I do remember as well reading that when generic drugs are approved, one big part of the approval process on orals is the peaks and time release factor of the drug have to be very close to the original brand name. This can be greatly affected with the manufacturing process of the raw materials and the fillers used in the pills.

 

[Ghoul]

We've got a China source now accurately dosing these MCG tabs now. Prob too little too late since we might see an end to cheap UGL raws for a while

I certainly appreciate the efforts to get dosing correct, because that's critical to safety, and what QSC has done is more than any other UGL up to this point, along with radical transparency showing bad results as well as good, that makes them trustworthy.

But that's far from the only thing that matters.

5 tablets, made 5 ways, could all have the same amount of active ingredient, and the actual range of bioavailability could be from 10%-100%, depending on the processes and excipients used. And not only that, some orals are even more complex. For instance, depending on where Metformin is released, the stomach, small intestine or large intestine, it has radically different effects, so it's designed to hold together until it gets to where it's supposed to.

That's why I'd only use UGL tabs where there's no pharma alternative, like AAS,

 

[BalticSea]

Haven't been around since early June. Any big changes? Did I miss anything important? Still shipping to Canada?

Go 50 pages back & begin read for yourself.

 

[bighunanballs]

I certainly appreciate the efforts to get dosing correct, because that's critical to safety, and what QSC has done is more than any other UGL up to this point, along with radical transparency showing bad results as well as good, that makes them trustworthy.

But that's far from the only thing that matters.

5 tablets, made 5 ways, could all have the same amount of active ingredient, and the actual range of bioavailability could be from 10%-100%, depending on the processes and excipients used. And not only that, some orals are even more complex. For instance, depending on where Metformin is released, the stomach, small intestine or large intestine, it has radically different effects, so it's designed to hold together until it gets to where it's supposed to.

That's why I'd only use UGL tabs where there's no pharma alternative, like AAS,

Were only talking dosing here. Bioavailability is a whole different can of worms and many times it's proprietary formulations for the pharmacuetical companies.

The Indian Pharma tabs are not privy to these proprietary formulations either. They're simply nailing down dosages with no regards for excipients and formulations liken to USA or EU pharma medications

 

[Ghoul]

Were only talking dosing here. Bioavailability is a whole different can of worms and many times it's proprietary formulations for the pharmacuetical companies.

The Indian Pharma tabs are not privy to these proprietary formulations either. They're simply nailing down dosages with no regards for excipients and formulations liken to USA or EU pharma medications

Half of all generic medication sold in the US are India Pharma, While they may not use the same excipient formulas they are required to have bioequivalency to the original drug.

Every FDA approved generic drug has an entry in the USP (US Pharmacopoeia) that specifies how the finished product is tested for bioequivalency.

India pharma has mastered that process over the decades, because they had to, or wouldn't have access to the US and most other markets that follow that standard.

IP (India Pharmacopeia), for their local market, is also a near carbon copy of USP.

(This is why you see "USP" or "IP" on packaging)

Whatever other issue Indian drugs may have, you are never going to see anything approaching the standards of their tablets by UGL.