Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic

[GeaR_and_SauCe]

IF Q comes back, we need to hold his feet to the fire regarding testing his raws. 86% on Tren E is absolutely unacceptable and pure laziness on their end.

I've heard complaints about bad tren e and tren ace raws over the last few years. A lot of them end up heavily oxidized final produce that turns really dark..others have yellow powder fall out of solution.

But considering how painful a lot of test enanthate raws out of china are, it's no surprise. Everything is cheap but it's hardly perfect. There's been a significant move toward using test cyp instead because not many people can tolerate test enanthate made with Chinese raws.

 

[glpfun]

I've heard complaints about bad tren e and tren ace raws over the last few years. A lot of them end up heavily oxidized final produce that turns really dark..others have yellow powder fall out of solution.

But considering how painful a lot of test enanthate raws out of china are, it's no surprise. Everything is cheap but it's hardly perfect. There's been a significant move toward using test cyp instead because not many people can tolerate test enanthate made with Chinese raws.

I was just talking about this with someone, why would anyone choose test e over c when it’s just like more pain and nearly identical pharmacokinetics. It sounds like this is a recent phenomenon with Chinese raws?

 

[readalot]

I was just talking about this with someone, why would anyone choose test e over c when it’s just like more pain and nearly identical pharmacokinetics. It sounds like this is a recent phenomenon with Chinese raws?

I am very curious to understand the PIP mechanism with Chinese Test E ugl raws. The -ene situation doesn't seem to explain it as that was shown to be an issue with TC and TE based on data we have in hand. Still have to confirm with reference standard to say definitively.

 

[Swolemates365]

I was just talking about this with someone, why would anyone choose test e over c when it’s just like more pain and nearly identical pharmacokinetics. It sounds like this is a recent phenomenon with Chinese raws?

Because Test C doesn’t compound as much as E. There is a limit to how much Test C compounds in itself in the body. There was a study Vigorous Steve talks about on his podcast. Also test E holds better at a higher Mg per ml. The main benefit to C is it’s easier for subQ shots apparently but I’ll stick IM where the muscles have more blood vessels.

 

[LGOP528]

I was just talking about this with someone, why would anyone choose test e over c when it’s just like more pain and nearly identical pharmacokinetics. It sounds like this is a recent phenomenon with Chinese raws?

I stayed away from e because of all the talk about pip on here. I ended up getting a small about of raws for blends and trying it just for shits and giggles. I liked the higher concentrations to allow more room in the syringe for other compounds. I never got any pip but I inject deep and try to use an air lock to stop any subQ leaking.

 

[LGOP528]

I am very curious to understand the PIP mechanism with Chinese Test E ugl raws. The -ene situation doesn't seem to explain it as that was shown to be an issue with TC and TE based on data we have in hand. Still have to confirm with reference standard to say definitively.

You think it could be that nothing changed with the raws but it is actually these influencers pushing the subQ administration coupled with new users doing shallow injections?

 

[Alibabaa]

I've heard complaints about bad tren e and tren ace raws over the last few years. A lot of them end up heavily oxidized final produce that turns really dark..others have yellow powder fall out of solution.

But considering how painful a lot of test enanthate raws out of china are, it's no surprise. Everything is cheap but it's hardly perfect. There's been a significant move toward using test cyp instead because not many people can tolerate test enanthate made with Chinese raws.

I had this problem with QSC tren e. . After brewing, a few days later it became heavily oxidized and got a dark orange color and the PIP became unbearable

 

[The Answ3r]

A small update for those whose tracking number also starts with LZ: after 16 days, the status changed from “Plane has landed” to “Airline departure”.

 

[glpfun]

You think it could be that nothing changed with the raws but it is actually these influencers pushing the subQ administration coupled with new users doing shallow injections?

There’s a lot of clinical data to support subq administration.

Testosterone Therapy With Subcutaneous Injections: A Safe, Practical, and Reasonable Option

Testosterone Therapy With Subcutaneous Injections: A Safe, Practical, and Reasonable Option

AbstractContext. Injections with intramuscular (IM) testosterone esters have been available for almost 8 decades and not only result in predictable serum t

academic.oup.com

Subcutaneous Injection of Testosterone Is an Effective and Preferred Alternative to Intramuscular Injection: Demonstration in Female-to-Male Transgender Patients

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/102/7/2349/3098651

This one looked at test e subq but then test c im for some reason, this one would be the biggest challenge to your theory https://www.urology.uci.edu/pdf/Com...ersus-Subcutaneous-Testosterone-Enanthate.pdf

 

[LGOP528]

There’s a lot of clinical data to support subq administration.

Testosterone Therapy With Subcutaneous Injections: A Safe, Practical, and Reasonable Option

Testosterone Therapy With Subcutaneous Injections: A Safe, Practical, and Reasonable Option

AbstractContext. Injections with intramuscular (IM) testosterone esters have been available for almost 8 decades and not only result in predictable serum t

academic.oup.com

Subcutaneous Injection of Testosterone Is an Effective and Preferred Alternative to Intramuscular Injection: Demonstration in Female-to-Male Transgender Patients

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/102/7/2349/3098651

This one looked at test e subq but then test c im for some reason, this one would be the biggest challenge to your theory https://www.urology.uci.edu/pdf/Com...ersus-Subcutaneous-Testosterone-Enanthate.pdf

I’m not saying that subQ doesn’t work. I’m saying it is possible that newer trends could be the cause of the higher reporting of pip from test e.

Interestingly, primo is the reason I started using air locks in my shots.

 

[FastBun]

I am very curious to understand the PIP mechanism with Chinese Test E ugl raws. The -ene situation doesn't seem to explain it as that was shown to be an issue with TC and TE based on data we have in hand. Still have to confirm with reference standard to say definitively.

I’m curious as well… please lmk if more insight on this….

 

[readalot]

Members who were way more respected than you here in Meso tried and failed, and ended up refugees in Nazi bodybuilding forums.

Notice this comment. Very effectively crafted for max impact.

 

[readalot]

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Post in thread 'Readalots Enhanced Testing'

Jan 18, 2025

Was trying to edit previous post but timed out. So reproducing here so I can type it all.

https://steroidsourcetalk.cc/index.php?threads/meso.19181/post-189880

MSG Quote:

"This guy gets it."





@T-Bagger, there it is. I know you were curious.

@Liter O' Test fyi.

Reproduced below for convenience. Reading through the QSC thread this issue appears to be largely why MSG left (IMO) from my reading. Very difficult to combat without administrative action.

its because 80% of the users that post here are shills...

• readalot

• 

MSG speaks.

 

[The-Squat]

No. Just because many manufacturers were shutdown. They could have been trying to move degraded stock. I don't know, we saw shit test d too

Or new people learning the ropes to take over the ones busted, just a thought!

Kinda makes sense, new people with trial and error.

 

[The-Squat]

I had this problem with QSC tren e. . After brewing, a few days later it became heavily oxidized and got a dark orange color and the PIP became unbearable

This sounds like the orange juice that was going around with many suppliers about 2 years ago.

You had to warm it up before inject, it would turn clear burt as soon as it cooled down it was orange juice lol.

But in this case it was tren a not e. Maybe you got tren a in a mix up.

 

[BamaCrazy]

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/18/business/mexico-china-industry-trump-tariffs/index.html

Many similarities in this thread and the members who patronized QSC with American consumers who value

A small update for those whose tracking number also starts with LZ: after 16 days, the status changed from “Plane has landed” to “Airline departure”.

Mine departed and landed twice. The latest status is from 1/16. But none of the tracking tools tell you where it landed.

 

[Sampei]

Try the Swiss discord

I heard the swiss is a cunt

 

[Rossm81]

I’d like to add my issues of waiting on an order with no response from QSC in the past 16 days. I have to also add I previously ordered hcg and hmg from them. Currently using 1250iu hcg and 225iu hmg weekly for over a month now and got some shocking bloodwork.

 

[glpfun]

I heard the swiss is a cunt

It’s peptide only, can’t discuss oils and maybe hgh, I appreciate the intention of the Swiss server but not sure about execution. There are so many channels it’s hard to find the info you want and when you do it’s missing a bunch of context.

 

[Rawbie]

A small update for those whose tracking number also starts with LZ: after 16 days, the status changed from “Plane has landed” to “Airline departure”.

Mine says

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