Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic

[superbane]

Price adjusts because you can’t move old peps in the quantities you desire?

So economics = make up for not being able to move garbage by raising prices?

So what you are saying is: “Wait until other resellers pop back up with raws and prices are competitive again?”

If off loading those old peps meant so much why not run a deal on them?
If you wanted to recoup sell em at cost + Shipping.
Give a better incentive for those who love peps to buy peps.
Peptide customers aren’t the same as raw customers. Market to your consumer base.

Sure isn’t a negotiation in a free market.
The only folks on the ropes are those in dire need to buy now!

 

[TheDieselZ]

It's still worth it even if you buy the peps and throw it away.
100g of TRA is 1,000 vials of TRA100.
Even if you sold each vial at $30, that's $30,000 right there.

Your math is off by a 0 bro

But $5 per vile of tren ace isn’t bad.

 

[readalot]

Your math is off by a 0 bro

But $5 per vile of tren ace isn’t bad.

I see I am way out of my league here. Lol.

Nevermind.

 

[BrunoES]

Supposedly factories got closed and people got arrested. Some say that those factories produced fentanyl also and from there the problem started.
But who knows what it's really happening in China

Politics and economics.

20% of the tariff being imposed on China is explicitly being attributed to them being a leading source of illegal drug precursor chemicals, most notably, but not only, fentanyl.

US officials have said after a period of sustained action to stop being a major drug precursor supplier, it will be reduced, then removed.

The drug precursor business, including synthetic opioids and AAS, are a tiny fraction compared to the business lost to higher tariff rates, so right after the last election, they started to crack down on that industry to try and head this off.

It's showing signs of having an impact, based on what we're experiencing, and things like fentanyl purity dropping (it's being cut with heroin lol).

Personally I really doubt there will be an "all clear" from the Chinese authorities allowing production of illegal drug precursers back up. It's bad for business, a violation of the anti-drug treaties they're a part of, and with China looking to dominate international industries like (legit) pharmaceuticals, it's far more important ($$$) to keep trade ties open.

Appreciate the detailed response guys.
It is mainly out of curiosity, since I have supply for the next 30 months, but has anyone spoken or are there any theories as to if China is going to start manufacturing ever again?
I bet someone will, but maybe its India if China isn't, I don't know...

 

[Middus]

Price adjusts because you can’t move old peps in the quantities you desire?

So economics = make up for not being able to move garbage by raising prices?

So what you are saying is: “Wait until other resellers pop back up with raws and prices are competitive again?”

If off loading those old peps meant so much why not run a deal on them?
If you wanted to recoup sell em at cost + Shipping.
Give a better incentive for those who love peps to buy peps.
Peptide customers aren’t the same as raw customers. Market to your consumer base.

Sure isn’t a negotiation in a free market.
The only folks on the ropes are those in dire need to buy now!

The thing is, he is banking on desperation and reputation.
QSC was a big name and some folk are dying for them to come back.
There is a sometimes irrational loyalty that comes with making multiple successful purchases with a vendor.
Unfortunately (for Tracy) he has boxed himself into a corner with this 'comeback trade'.
It's getting clearer that this might just be an attempt to liquidate the foreign warehouses. In fact it's looking like only the US warehouse(s) at the moment. He must have a lot of peps he wants to get rid of, but no one wants them. In the time QSC has been gone, several vendors have popped up, some, as alternative sources for raws, and all (the vendors), sources of cheaper peps.
Putting a count down clock ain't gonna do shit. We know his stock is limited, but people's alternative supply isn't.
Placing any condition on buys will only get the most desperate, who would buy the raws with the peps then go fling the peps on peptide forums.
No amount of snark or sarcasm in his telegram posts can hide the truth that he is just as desperate to sell as the desperate buyers he is looking for. The changes in TG posts almost looks like he comes here to read posts then responds accordingly


So Tracy, if you are l̶i̶s̶t̶e̶n̶i̶n̶g̶ reading, I guarantee you that peptide folks will buy all your stale peps for 50%-75% of what they are currently listed as

 

[readalot]

vile

Once we are done with tren testing project I predict there will be "vials" and "viles".

Amazing that autocorrect already understood this way in advance. The singularity may have already happened right here on MESO!

 

[readalot]

Tracy

 

[Middus]

Appreciate the detailed response guys.
It is mainly out of curiosity, since I have supply for the next 30 months, but has anyone spoken or are there any theories as to if China is going to start manufacturing ever again?
I bet someone will, but maybe its India if China isn't, I don't know...

People need to give up on predicting China's next step. They've been reactionary since the Prince of Tariffs took over.

 

[Photon]

Your math is off by a 0 bro

But $5 per vile of tren ace isn’t bad.

Yes i realized that.
I mistook the number of pins vs the 10ml vs in the vial lol.

 

[readalot]

No amount of snark or sarcasm in his telegram posts can hide the truth that he is just as desperate to sell as the desperate buyers he is looking for.

 

[niqTM]

The thing is, he is banking on desperation and reputation.
QSC was a big name and some folk are dying for them to come back.
There is a sometimes irrational loyalty that comes with making multiple successful purchases with a vendor.
Unfortunately (for Tracy) he has boxed himself into a corner with this 'comeback trade'.
It's getting clearer that this might just be an attempt to liquidate the foreign warehouses. In fact it's looking like only the US warehouse(s) at the moment. He must have a lot of peps he wants to get rid of, but no one wants them. In the time QSC has been gone, several vendors have popped up, some, as alternative sources for raws, and all (the vendors), sources of cheaper peps.
Putting a count down clock ain't gonna do shit. We know his stock is limited, but people's alternative supply isn't.
Placing any condition on buys will only get the most desperate, who would buy the raws with the peps then go fling the peps on peptide forums.
No amount of snark or sarcasm in his telegram posts can hide the truth that he is just as desperate to sell as the desperate buyers he is looking for. The changes in TG posts almost looks like he comes here to read posts then responds accordingly


So Tracy, if you are l̶i̶s̶t̶e̶n̶i̶n̶g̶ reading, I guarantee you that peptide folks will buy all your stale peps for 50%-75% of what they are currently listed as

I came here to say the same thing. Reduce the price of the peptides and get SOME money for them. The longer they sit, the less people are going to want to buy them.

Inventory is cost. Take a loss and get rid of it. Start new operation and pray to our Lord and savior Jesus Christ that he brings you wisdon, joy, purpose, and your case in China gets resolved.

 

[Photon]

Placing any condition on buys will only get the most desperate, who would buy the raws with the peps then go fling the peps on peptide forums.
No amount of snark or sarcasm in his telegram posts can hide the truth that he is just as desperate to sell as the desperate buyers he is looking for. The changes in TG posts almost looks like he comes here to read posts then responds accordingly

You are not his target customer.
He's targeting brewers and resellers.

1 vial of Reta 10mg can be sold at ~70-100USD US DOM.
Brewers will brew the raws and earn.
They will resell the old peps and earn.

Soccer moms are more than happy to pay US Dom prices for old peptides.

 

[Ghoul]

People need to give up on predicting China's next step. They've been reactionary since the Prince of Tariffs took over.

It's not that difficult if you follow the relevant areas.

They're rational actors, pursuing their best interests, responding to disincentives and incentives.

Resuming illegal drug precursor production would be economic suicide given the focus the US has on that right now, and the strain China's economy is under at the moment.

 

[Middus]

You are not his target customer.
He's targeting brewers and resellers.

1 vial of Reta 10mg can be sold at ~70-100USD US DOM.
Brewers will brew the raws and earn.
They will resell the old peps and earn.

Soccer moms are more than happy to pay US Dom prices for old peptides.

I know, but he keeps dropping prices, meaning he is desperate.. lol.

 

[Ghoul]

I know, but he keeps dropping prices, meaning he is desperate.. lol.

But raising them in raws, which means those buyers are desperate.

He could've doubled the raws prices, thrown away the crusty peps, and still made more money than by trying to force product on unwilling buyers.

 

[Middus]

It's not that difficult if you follow the relevant areas.

They're rational actors, pursuing their best interests, responding to disincentives and incentives.

Resuming illegal drug precursor production would be economic suicide given the focus the US has on that right now, and the strain China's economy is under at the moment.

. Everyone's economy is under strain.
Just saying there is no answer to whether they will be a future crackdown on something or not.
Just look at the chips nonsense that's going on. First don't sell them chips, then lets allow companies to sell them chips and pocket part of the proceeds, what does china do in an attempt to undercut prices? claim the chips are bugged.
Its just cray!

 

[Middus]

But raising them in raws, which means those buyers are desperate.

He could've doubled the raws prices, thrown away the crusty peps, and still made more money than by trying to force product on unwilling buyers.

We shall see...

 

[readalot]

Stale peptides are boring. Where's the BEEF?

 

[niqTM]

Also, those raw prices. 300$ for test c = 3$/gram

250mg/ml test-c @ 10ml vial = 2.5g

2.5g x 3$/gram = 7.50$/vial before carrier oil, bb, ba, eo, guicol (whatever you want to use), vial, stopper, crimper.

Other than the peace of mind knowing your brew is how you want it, and having it shipped from within the US, it doesn't seem worth it to brew your own at this cost even if you were going to resell it when you have other vendors selling at 10-11$/10ml vial.

 

[readalot]