QSC floaters in test e and tren e

[readalot]

I understand not everyone has the same means, but there should be some nonnegotiable standards. If you’re unable to afford anything other than QSC oil, you do not have the means to be able to afford a lifestyle involving AAS. Simple as that.

And to anyone that says we should all be filtering oils anyway, that’s an insane argument to make for QSC. I filter my household tap, but it doesn’t mean I’d just shrug my shoulders and accept “I filter it anyway” if the state started pumping wastewater to my house.

Bless you for joining MESO. It is wonderful having another excellent critical thinker added to the member list.

Thank you for taking the time to join and participate. Sincerely.

 

[Sicsemptyran]

Bless you for joining MESO. It is wonderful having another excellent critical thinker added to the member list.

Thank you for taking the time to join and participate. Sincerely.

Happy to be here. I’d like your comment but I have yet to be bestowed the privilege in the underground given my new status.

 

[Ghoul]

I understand not everyone has the same means, but there should be some nonnegotiable standards. If you’re unable to afford anything other than QSC oil, you do not have the means to be able to afford a lifestyle involving AAS. Simple as that.

And to anyone that says we should all be filtering oils anyway, that’s an insane argument to make for QSC. I filter my household tap, but it doesn’t mean I’d just shrug my shoulders and accept “I filter it anyway” if the state started pumping wastewater to my house.

Valid points. Filter anyway..

Reasons to do so go far beyond visible particulates. In fact, it's sub-visibile particulates that are considered the most dangerous to health, which means every single UGL oil could be a threat.

In a sense, visible particles are good, since they act as a reminder to filter, but their absence isn't an a reason not to.

No matter how effective a lab's filtering is, here is the particulate content of pre-sterilized empty vials:

(this can be avoided by refiltering into vials that meet the FDA's particulate standard)

 

[Sicsemptyran]

Valid points. Filter anyway..

Reasons to do so go far beyond visible particulates. In fact, it's sub-visibile particulates that are considered the most dangerous to health, which means every single UGL oil could be a threat.

In a sense, visible particles are good, since they act as a reminder to filter, but their absence isn't an a reason not to.

No matter how effective a lab's filtering is, here is the particulate content of pre-sterilized empty vials:

(this can be avoided by refiltering into vials that meet the FDA's particulate standard)

View attachment 310371

To be clear, definitely think and agree that it’s worth filtering everything (similar to the household tap). Just saying while one should filter everything, it doesn’t excuse being handed a vial of shit oil.

 

[Qingdao Sigma Chemicals]

Beside this single case I haven’t received any feedback about floaters in the whole new batchs orders and we already sold over 1000 kits for each of the main products like test e and test c.

Maybe this was a single exception? Possible. If not, it is what it is for the moment until further notice.

If there is any improvement in the process I can let you know but nothing can be guaranteed and only the feedbacks help to notify us about the situation.

For the moment, you can find tons of feedbacks in the main thread reporting no floaters in the new batchs and this was the very first one finding them in his two vials.

The fact that I say it’s what it is doesn’t mean I don’t give a F.
It means this is the reality and current situation.
Improvement doesn’t come at once and reach perfection from first attempt.

 

[readalot]

Filter anyway.

To be clear for the reader, you would recommend a 5 um spike adapter for every UGL "finished" oil vial?

Post in thread '10ml or 20ml or 30ml vials'

Aug 30, 2024

I use one spike for the life of the vial.

You attach the luer lock syringe, draw, then disconnect the syringe, leaving the spike in the vial and attach needle. An added benefit is that it prevents using a separate needle to draw, or dulling the needle if using the same to draw and inject.

The model I use has a valve that closes when the syringe is removed, so nothing leaks from the vial being held upside down.

There's a vent that allows air into the vial as you draw, equalizing pressure preventing vacuum from forming.

Liquid flows through a 5 micron particle filter, vent air flows...

• Ghoul

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So some piece of mind for 5 um cutoff.

IMO, this is great but does not excuse a vendor who isn't putting a finished product in a finished injection vial.

Thank you again for all your efforts on here.

 

[readalot]

Beside this single case I haven’t received any feedback about floaters in the whole new batchs orders and we already sold over 1000 kits for each of the main products like test e and test c.

Maybe this was a single exception? Possible. If not, it is what it is for the moment until further notice.

If there is any improvement in the process I can let you know but nothing can be guaranteed and only the feedbacks help to notify us about the situation.

For the moment, you can find tons of feedbacks in the main thread reporting no floaters in the new batchs and this was the very first one finding them in his two vials.

The fact that I say it’s what it is doesn’t mean I don’t give a F.
It means this is the reality and current situation.
Improvement doesn’t come at once and reach perfection from first attempt.

Thank you for your reply. Your previous response left me with the distinct impression you were not going to consider additional improvements. The members have been patient with this ongoing issue. How bout getting on top of this issue and solving it? You have received some great suggestions.

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

I understand not everyone has the same means, but there should be some nonnegotiable standards. If you’re unable to afford anything other than QSC oil, you do not have the means to be able to afford a lifestyle involving AAS. Simple as that.

And to anyone that says we should all be filtering oils anyway, that’s an insane argument to make for QSC. I filter my household tap, but it doesn’t mean I’d just shrug my shoulders and accept “I filter it anyway” if the state started pumping wastewater to my house.

Well that’s what I wonder. Is it IG kids watching influencers keeping their thread moving, or is there something else I’m missing.

I’m sure a good amount of us started on TRT through a clinic, paying $200+ a vial, that pushed us into UGL. $40 is peanuts.

 

[readalot]

No seriously, at this point, we will just accept it and it is what it is

at this point I give up on the subject and no extra effort will be done, and it's up to you to make your own choices

I understand not everyone has the same means, but there should be some nonnegotiable standards. If you’re unable to afford anything other than QSC oil, you do not have the means to be able to afford a lifestyle involving AAS. Simple as that.

 

[Qingdao Sigma Chemicals]

The fact that I lol about a subject don’t mean i don’t give a fuck. It’s just that I try to deal with every issue with no stress or drama.
I don’t let anything affect my mental health no matter the problem, even personal ones.

Improvements require making new batchs and for the moment the production of oils is paused due to restock of everything and the coming chinese new year holidays, so all the possible attempts to improve the future batchs will take a while.

In the meantime the buyers can keep the flow of the feedbacks and inspections of the new vials so that we collect more data.

The suggestions were taken in consideration (in the notebook jk) and don’t think we already tried some, the filter pump was changed already months ago. The one used now is high quality and new.
Exploring other areas now.
The issues were reported to production since the day OP made the post.
Everything comes in its time.

When I said I give up on the subject, means I already put enough so I set my expections lower this time until I see a consistency in feedbacks reporting no floaters for months with no exception, but this doesn’t mean that we give up on the inspection process.

 

[B Ware]

Is it very surprising that the cheap China gear is filthy? All this blah blah talk of, well you should be filtering your gear anyway is bizarre. We have sources here and on other forums who spend the time to make a quality product and are proud of it. Some even state that they are using a double filter filtration system.

Please do not accept that dirty looking gear is fine because you should be filtering your gear anyway. This has never been how we operate here and doesn’t cut it on any forums. Ask Matrix over at SST who recently had some floaters and is now shut down and re-filtering his current batch.

 

[readalot]

Is it very surprising that the cheap China gear is filthy? All this blah blah talk of, well you should be filtering your gear anyway is bizarre. We have sources here and on other forums who spend the time to make a quality product and are proud of it. Some even state that they are using a double filter filtration system.

Please do not accept that dirty looking gear is fine because you should be filtering your gear anyway. This has never been how we operate here and doesn’t cut it on any forums. Ask Matrix over at SST who recently had some floaters and is now shut down and re-filtering his current batch.

 

[MyNameIsJeff]

Valid points. Filter anyway..

Reasons to do so go far beyond visible particulates. In fact, it's sub-visibile particulates that are considered the most dangerous to health, which means every single UGL oil could be a threat.

In a sense, visible particles are good, since they act as a reminder to filter, but their absence isn't an a reason not to.

No matter how effective a lab's filtering is, here is the particulate content of pre-sterilized empty vials:

(this can be avoided by refiltering into vials that meet the FDA's particulate standard)

View attachment 310371

Drawing from the vial with a filter needle should solve the issue, right? Cost seems to be very reasonable, at 25 cents per needle.

 

[Ghoul]

Is it very surprising that the cheap China gear is filthy? All this blah blah talk of, well you should be filtering your gear anyway is bizarre. We have sources here and on other forums who spend the time to make a quality product and are proud of it. Some even state that they are using a double filter filtration system.

Please do not accept that dirty looking gear is fine because you should be filtering your gear anyway. This has never been how we operate here and doesn’t cut it on any forums. Ask Matrix over at SST who recently had some floaters and is now shut down and re-filtering his current batch.

It sounds like you're suggesting there's some instance where filtering isn't necessary (double filtration labs), and that's completely wrong.

Correct me if that's not your position.

 

[Qingdao Sigma Chemicals]

Is it very surprising that the cheap China gear is filthy? All this blah blah talk of, well you should be filtering your gear anyway is bizarre. We have sources here and on other forums who spend the time to make a quality product and are proud of it. Some even state that they are using a double filter filtration system.

Please do not accept that dirty looking gear is fine because you should be filtering your gear anyway. This has never been how we operate here and doesn’t cut it on any forums. Ask Matrix over at SST who recently had some floaters and is now shut down and re-filtering his current batch.

Dirty?
No, it’s sterile, testing backing up that the gear is clean.
Calling gear dirty because of a sterile tiny filter fiber that could be visible only using flash light is a bit extreme.

That said most of sources in meso had their own floaters episodes and many when they spend $40 on a vial of test, they are less likely to inspect it.

At the same time meso here are grown up and don’t need your speech to make their own choices.
Is it worth it to spend x10 or x5 the price for the same thing, over a sub-visible filter floater found by someone?
For some yes, for some no, people will make their choices based on their personal convictions.
It’s the weekend, go out and get some fresh air

 

[keenpen]

What happens if a sterile filter fiber ends up in your ass? Serious question but I assume it's bad.

 

[iris]

The fact that I lol about a subject don’t mean i don’t give a fuck. It’s just that I try to deal with every issue with no stress or drama.
I don’t let anything affect my mental health no matter the problem, even personal ones.

Improvements require making new batchs and for the moment the production of oils is paused due to restock of everything and the coming chinese new year holidays, so all the possible attempts to improve the future batchs will take a while.

In the meantime the buyers can keep the flow of the feedbacks and inspections of the new vials so that we collect more data.

The suggestions were taken in consideration (in the notebook jk) and don’t think we already tried some, the filter pump was changed already months ago. The one used now is high quality and new.
Exploring other areas now.
The issues were reported to production since the day OP made the post.
Everything comes in its time.

When I said I give up on the subject, means I already put enough so I set my expections lower this time until I see a consistency in feedbacks reporting no floaters for months with no exception, but this doesn’t mean that we give up on the inspection process.

I have not been following.
But these vials are from November so are not part of the enhanced testing batch, from what I remember.
That happened in December.

However, are the vials shown in these pictures (made in November?) Part of the first set of changes implemented (better vials, allegedly better filtration) or not?

You confirmed above that future batches will be produced with an entirely new filtration system and the stoppers have also been changed.

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

Dirty?
No, it’s sterile, testing backing up that the gear is clean.
Calling gear dirty because of a sterile tiny filter fiber that could be visible only using flash light is a bit extreme.

That said most of sources in meso had their own floaters episodes and many when they spend $40 on a vial of test, they are less likely to inspect it.

At the same time meso here are grown up and don’t need your speech to make their own choices.
Is it worth it to spend x10 or x5 the price for the same thing, over a sub-visible filter floater found by someone?
For some yes, for some no, people will make their choices based on their personal convictions.
It’s the weekend, go out and get some fresh air

This whole statement is fucking absurd. Would you pin the gear yourself without filtering it?

1 injection, maybe. Guys who pin kits of this, running a gram of gear & over, sending filter fibers an inch deep into their ass, over the course of years.

Only an idiot would do that. Solid advice. I’ll be sure to follow for more. Plans for half sterile syringes? I’ll take a few boxes.

 

[Qingdao Sigma Chemicals]

What happens if a sterile filter fiber ends up in your ass? Serious question but I assume it's bad.

You can get the reply in our thread.
3500 pages and no single infection report.
No one ever lost an ass cheek.
In the meantime many reports of infections in other threads where no floaters issues were reported.
Those floaters in general cannot go through IM needles.
A gear floater free can be dirty.
A gear with floaters can be clean and sterile.
Ghoul recommends to filter everything for a reason.
You can’t trust an UGL especially domestic ones because they all have no labs and many no clean set ups.
Chinese UGL production conditions are way much better due to easy access to technology and laboratory equipements.
That said many UGL can be ethical and respect the sanitary requirement, but no floaters doesn’t mean clean.
What’s best is to refilter.
I personally never done that.
I found some filter fibers in one of my tren e vials in the past, like one year ago. I injected it. My ass cheek looks completely fine after using half kit.

 

[Qingdao Sigma Chemicals]

I have not been following.
But these vials are from November so are not part of the enhanced testing batch, from what I remember.
That happened in December.

However, are the vials shown in these pictures (made in November?) Part of the first set of changes implemented (better vials, allegedly better filtration) or not?

You confirmed above that future batches will be produced with an entirely new filtration system and the stoppers have also been changed.

November orders were preorders.
It all started shipping in december.
Stoppers has been changed yes, everyone can confirm this.
I never talked about new filtration system except months ago when we changed the pump and it was obviously not enough.