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QSC floaters in test e and tren e

bigMoJo said:
You keep asking Admin to help move your "grievances" to the Underground...

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Thread 'WARNING GenericAsia shipping box showing oil leak on the outside'

I’m posting this from an anonymous account.

@Millard please move to the Underground and perhaps provide a link within the GenericAsia source thread or whatever you consider to be the best course of action. Thank you.

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I received an order from GenericAsia in October which contained vials of oil. Unfortunately the packaging of the vials was very substandard. They were packaged in single bubble mailer bags with no way to contain leaks. One of the vials broke and leaked out of the bubble bag and caused a clearly visible oil stain on the outside of the shipping box. This...
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Yet, you haven't posted a "New Member Intro" or at least paid the measly $10 to gain post privileges in the Underground. Now, you want others help for "feedback."

Why? Because you want to help the community or just plain self-interest?
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craigdt said:
Really want to try QSC for test, but floaters scare me off.

Don't have any experience with filtering, not sure if savings are worth the hassle/risk....
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The best case is that the gear you get does not have visible floaters but then you refilter anyway because there may be floaters too small for you to see. I would prefer that the QSC gear did not have visible floaters, but I am not complaining and not asking for a refund because I accepted this as part of purchasing from them. I do not regret my order with them.

I am not calling QSC a bad source.
I am not calling QSC a good source.

I am only providing information about my order so that the greater community has more information and in case others need more encouragement to refilter their gear.

My suggestion for you is to not order anything until you are confident the gear will be free of floaters but then refilter anyway. Knowing how to refilter is a good skill to have and practice even if not strictly necessary. It is not difficult and is not very expensive.
 
anonymous 524708 said:
Why do you doubt it is the new premium line?
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Because it was only posted last Saturday. Obviously brewed in China.

You think it shipped, cleared customs, landed at a US warehouse & shipped to you in a week? All during sales, holiday shipping delays, etc.

And as I mentioned before. I’ve inquired 3x for a price list, and asked if they’re were shipping domestic, on the lineup this week with no response.

In no way am I defending them, I’ve talked a lot of shit about their practices. But it doesn’t seem feasible.
 
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SwolieGuacamole said:
Because it was only posted last Saturday. Obviously brewed in China.

You think it shipped, cleared customs, landed at a US warehouse & shipped to you in a week? All during sales, holiday shipping delays, etc.

And as I mentioned before. I’ve inquired 3x for a price list, and asked if they’re were shipping domestic, on the lineup this week with no response.

In no way am I defending them, I’ve talked a lot of shit about their practices. But it doesn’t seem feasible.
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Oh I see. My order was international during the black Friday preorders time. I assumed the enhanced testing of those batches is what Tracy was calling the premium line but I don't know. I never called my vials premium line.

I have green top test e vials and red top tren a vials from the black Friday sale. Those are supposed to be with new vials, lids and stoppers according to what I remember Tracy saying. If those are not the premium line, then I do not have the premium line.

The enhanced testing that I looked up was done on green top test e and red top tren a vials. Hopefully Tracy will explain.
 
Holy hell. This is so fucking scary. Can you see this with the naked eye or so you need to shine a light on it? I need a diy floater detection tutorial. Is it simply a flashlight in a dark room?
 
readalot said:
If it goes in an injection vial, it should be injection grade. Otherwise vendor should package in a serum bottle, bucket, miniature garbage pail.

Great point. I agree.

MESO members should not settle for this. Period.

Meet the injection vial:

View attachment 310321

For stuff you inject.
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I honestly wouldn’t hate if they just sold 500ml and 1000ml media jugs and said it’s on you to filter and vial. At least there would be the expectation set.
 
anonymous 524708 said:
Oh I see. My order was international during the black Friday preorders time. I assumed the enhanced testing of those batches is what Tracy was calling the premium line but I don't know. I never called my vials premium line.

I have green top test e vials and red top tren a vials from the black Friday sale. Those are supposed to be with new vials, lids and stoppers according to what I remember Tracy saying. If those are not the premium line, then I do not have the premium line.

The enhanced testing that I looked up was done on green top test e and red top tren a vials. Hopefully Tracy will explain.
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Can you post a picture of both vials showing stoppers and caps etc?

Thank you!
 
That's an enhanced floater, a sterile one, endotoxin free, and heavy metals free, visual inspection resistant. It's a premium floater lol

No seriously, at this point, we will just accept it and it is what it is, if you purchase from a bulk producer like QSC, a certain strong vaccum is required to filter that quantities produced. Filter fibers can only be inspected using visual inspection, and I believe if you put the effort to look for the tiniest ones, I am sure you will end up finding it in some of thoses 5000-10000 vials, at this point I give up on the subject and no extra effort will be done, and it's up to you to make your own choices.

As far as I know, and you all saw, those batchs were tested for sterility and endotoxins, which means, those batchs are brewed in a perfectly sterile and clean environement, this is backed up by a bunch of tests:

sterility tests:
endotoxins tests:

If you are willing to put the price, and pay x5 and support your domestic brewers, who brew by batch of 1-5L, I am sure you will have less problem finding filter fibers, since brewing small batchs and big ones don't have the same filtering process. That said, everyone of them had its own episodes as well, and if you keep digging with some flash light, magnifying glass, microscope, I am sure you will be finding something as well.

But let's state facts:
- QSC oils are sterile.
- QSC oils are perfectly tested regarding quantity (HPLC).
- QSC oils are endotoxins free, and heavy metals free.
- QSC oils are brewed in clean and sterile environement.
- QSC oils are cheap.
- No one ever got an abcess, or an infection using QSC in the past 3 years we are here in Meso.
- QSC filter fiber floaters can be found on occasional basis, and nothing can be done about it. I won't give any fake hopes about it, my best was done.
- If you are afraid from our sterile floating filter fibers, that doesn't go through needles, nor will harm you, you still can refilter or buy elsewhere.
- The premium line thing was some sarcasm you obviously didn't understand, there is nothing called premium lines, it was just to refer to the new enhanced tests, but in fact nothing changes for a source if it has done them or not, we all had our own conclusions on this subject: more testing is always welcome, but data didn't justify its necessity yet until the day we will see a "FAIL".

Have a great weekend
 
Qingdao Sigma Chemicals said:
That's an enhanced floater, a sterile one, endotoxin free, and heavy metals free, visual inspection resistant. It's a premium floater lol

No seriously, at this point, we will just accept it and it is what it is, if you purchase from a bulk producer like QSC, a certain strong vaccum is required to filter that quantities produced. Filter fibers can only be inspected using visual inspection, and I believe if you put the effort to look for the tiniest ones, I am sure you will end up finding it in some of thoses 5000-10000 vials, at this point I give up on the subject and no extra effort will be done, and it's up to you to make your own choices.

As far as I know, and you all saw, those batchs were tested for sterility and endotoxins, which means, those batchs are brewed in a perfectly sterile and clean environement, this is backed up by a bunch of tests:

sterility tests:
endotoxins tests:

If you are willing to put the price, and pay x5 and support your domestic brewers, who brew by batch of 1-5L, I am sure you will have less problem finding filter fibers, since brewing small batchs and big ones don't have the same filtering process. That said, everyone of them had its own episodes as well, and if you keep digging with some flash light, magnifying glass, microscope, I am sure you will be finding something as well.

But let's state facts:
- QSC oils are sterile.
- QSC oils are perfectly tested regarding quantity (HPLC).
- QSC oils are endotoxins free, and heavy metals free.
- QSC oils are brewed in clean and sterile environement.
- QSC oils are cheap.
- No one ever got an abcess, or an infection using QSC in the past 3 years we are here in Meso.
- QSC filter fiber floaters can be found on occasional basis, and nothing can be done about it. I won't give any fake hopes about it, my best was done.
- If you are afraid from our sterile floating filter fibers, that doesn't go through needles, nor will harm you, you still can refilter or buy elsewhere.
- The premium line thing was some sarcasm you obviously didn't understand, there is nothing called premium lines, it was just to refer to the new enhanced tests, but in fact nothing changes for a source if it has done them or not, we all had our own conclusions on this subject: more testing is always welcome, but data didn't justify its necessity yet until the day we will see a "FAIL".

Have a great weekend
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How is it endotoxin free when ghouls enhanced clearly shows it cranking the soldier boy
 
Qingdao Sigma Chemicals said:
That's an enhanced floater, a sterile one, endotoxin free, and heavy metals free, visual inspection resistant. It's a premium floater lol

No seriously, at this point, we will just accept it and it is what it is, if you purchase from a bulk producer like QSC, a certain strong vaccum is required to filter that quantities produced. Filter fibers can only be inspected using visual inspection, and I believe if you put the effort to look for the tiniest ones, I am sure you will end up finding it in some of thoses 5000-10000 vials, at this point I give up on the subject and no extra effort will be done, and it's up to you to make your own choices.

As far as I know, and you all saw, those batchs were tested for sterility and endotoxins, which means, those batchs are brewed in a perfectly sterile and clean environement, this is backed up by a bunch of tests:

sterility tests:
endotoxins tests:

If you are willing to put the price, and pay x5 and support your domestic brewers, who brew by batch of 1-5L, I am sure you will have less problem finding filter fibers, since brewing small batchs and big ones don't have the same filtering process. That said, everyone of them had its own episodes as well, and if you keep digging with some flash light, magnifying glass, microscope, I am sure you will be finding something as well.

But let's state facts:
- QSC oils are sterile.
- QSC oils are perfectly tested regarding quantity (HPLC).
- QSC oils are endotoxins free, and heavy metals free.
- QSC oils are brewed in clean and sterile environement.
- QSC oils are cheap.
- No one ever got an abcess, or an infection using QSC in the past 3 years we are here in Meso.
- QSC filter fiber floaters can be found on occasional basis, and nothing can be done about it. I won't give any fake hopes about it, my best was done.
- If you are afraid from our sterile floating filter fibers, that doesn't go through needles, nor will harm you, you still can refilter or buy elsewhere.
- The premium line thing was some sarcasm you obviously didn't understand, there is nothing called premium lines, it was just to refer to the new enhanced tests, but in fact nothing changes for a source if it has done them or not, we all had our own conclusions on this subject: more testing is always welcome, but data didn't justify its necessity yet until the day we will see a "FAIL".

Have a great weekend
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So this is the “premium” line and the standard everyone can expect from you moving forward?

I thought part of the “premium” line, outside of enhanced testing, was admitting shit filters were being used, and that better quality filters would become the standard. As well as new stoppers etc etc.

Was this all bullshit? Most of your comments seem to rationalize cost, rather than the quality of oil you put out. Maybe that’s the China way.

Granted this is all provided this is the new line.
 
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bigboy420 said:
Damn bro, meso standards so low?

And why are we still suprised qsc has garbage floating?
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@Ghoul recently shared a case where even pharma Test E had particulate impurities, necessitating a recall. Perhaps you could trust brand-name pharma like Bayer. But even then, how do you know that it's not faked?

Filtering with a 0.22 micron PTFE filter is cheap and effective. I do not trust any underground source enough to just inject it right away. Anecdotally, I have noticed a marked reduction in PIP since filtering oils (even those that did not have visible floaters).
 
Qingdao Sigma Chemicals said:
That's an enhanced floater, a sterile one, endotoxin free, and heavy metals free, visual inspection resistant. It's a premium floater lol
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This is utter bullshit. So many sources have been ran off over the years for floaters and you “lol” about it and just say there is nothing you can do and for everyone to deal with it. What happened to your QC machine that is supposed to detect floaters?

It’s truly as simple as only filtering certain amounts through a particular filter and turning your vacuum pump down a bit to fix this.

I truly hate to see that this is now being accepted, at Meso of all places.
 
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Qingdao Sigma Chemicals said:
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No seriously, at this point, we will just accept it and it is what it is, if you purchase from a bulk producer like QSC, a certain strong vaccum is required to filter that quantities produced. [...]
- QSC filter fiber floaters can be found on occasional basis, and nothing can be done about it. I won't give any fake hopes about it, my best was done.
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Just out of curiosity. Why is not possible to decrease the strength of the vacuum that drives the oil through the filter? And/or or to change the filter after a lower amount of ml filtered? Would this not reduce the risk of filter fibers significantly?

In terms of downsides, the oil filtering process would take more time due to reduced flow speed and more frequent manual filter changes. Hence:

- More labor hours to be paid for the operators of the production facility.
- More money spent on filters
- Marginally higher energy costs

I doubt that the facilities are operating around the clock, so it seems unlikely that additional facilities would need to be rented/bought.

Seems like a marginal cost increase per vial, or where am I going wrong, Tracy?
 
MyNameIsJeff said:
You are a low IQ drama queen and conflate floaters with sterility. The liquid can have filter fibers or rubber particles in them while still being sterile and free from endotoxins.

Oils from any source should be filtered, since you should be more concerned about non-visible particulates (the ones that actually will get sucked in through a needle).
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you suck
 
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