QSC floaters in test e and tren e

[Ateam2023]

QSC didn't do all those tests because of consumers safety, as stated above , its a "business move" at the end of the day, I guess people who use qsc oils are fortunate enough to reap the rewards of the "ET" ,,,, BUT, i would still " re-filter" any and ALL UGL oils , IMHO , better safe than sorry when it comes to "Harm Reduction" and UGL oils,,,,,

 

[Sampei]

When you get a chance answer the questions above for Sampei. What are your standards? You made a great analysis of the market and customers. How about you?

After all, if no members act for the benefit of the community, then Millard has set up a fool's errand. Just a bunch of words typed on the screen.

My standards NOW can't be filled by QSC and neither most of the UGL I have access that's why I homebrew, my standard in the past were well dosed sterile gear at the best price I could get it but those were other times and I was a younger person too.

If I could have no way of brewing and no access to some small private brewer I trust, the option I would probably choose would be find the best dosed gear and with less or no pip I can find and re filter it myself. So probably a Chinese source.

Why pay a pharmaqo or Deus medical or any other big "western" UGL when their gear is no different from QSC or SSA or HYB but it cost 3-4 times much and I would filter it anyway?

But telling you the truth if I couldn't brew.. I would probably stick to TRT and call it a day.

 

[readalot]

For the same reasons the veggie, gluten free, lactose free, palm oil free store isn't as crowded as the Mcdonald's.

In life, it's all about compromises, you measure pros and cons, and pick up what suits you.

I am sure if you're just on trt, and you need 2-3 vials a year, QSC isn't your first option, and you aren't QSC target neither, the MOQ is already 10 vials, better spend it domestic, western.
If you're continuously on B&C, stacking different compounds, high test, growth, primo lover, and your lady is getting thick and needs some tirz, it becomes quite a budget, so unless you do some grapefruit Kai Green shows, you're broke.
It's not for nothing that many start homebrewing.

3000 USD per year ÷ 30 USD / vial is 100 vials per year or ~ 2 vials per week.

If that is alot of money for someone they really should find another hobby. Yeah, yeah, calculate the cost of GH and other shit too, readalot.

Food is 10x the cost of the gear. That's a whole 'nother harm reduction discussion. Setting the price too low also encourages the wrong demographic to (ab)use AAS.

But like I figured, it must be the resellers and associated folks with COI that drive the discussion here.

 

[Qingdao Sigma Chemicals]

When you get a chance answer the questions above for Sampei. What are your standards? You made a great analysis of the market and customers. How about you?

Sampei is a homebrewer, he have his own standards set by him, and he don't need belong to any when it comes to steroid oils.

If he decides to scratch his ass during the process, he's free to do it, and no one can stop him, or know about it.
If he founds a floater in his gear, he will simply filter it, and no one will knows about it.

Everyone set his own, based on his priorities.

Someone who got some weird disease or allergy will set different ones, some can go deep in the details of the type of carrier oil and solvents because he experienced some dark episode with some BB, and found a first source not using BB, the floaters issue will be his least of his concern if he spent a year looking for a source brewing without BB, just an example.

My buyers standards are in this order:
1- price
2- quality
3- speed

If you get the order wrong, you lose them.
My buyers prefer price over quality, and quality over speed.
If I lose the price, I lose it all.
I work on the 3.

I can control well the pricing.
Quality, I control what I can: well dosed by HPLC, sterile, endotoxin free, heavy metals free, minor pip reports to none, no infections, no contaminations from foreign materials.
But I still have crashed gear from time to time, not the best outcome, I know, but not a reason for me to discontinue a product, a domestic $40/vial seller can't afford selling crashed test C for $40/vial. He needs to do better, even at the cost of lowering it to 200mg/ml.
I can afford at $7/vial to tell my buyer to warm it. Buyer will also understand.

 

[Sampei]

The financial interest of the vendors has never entered my calculus.

But the success of ET has been because of that mostly. Surely not because we impacted their wallet convincing ppl of not buying their gear. What they saw was the opportunity of differentiate themselves from many other similar sources and they thought it could be a successful gamble for making more money.

Does that benefit the end users like me your or anyone buying UGL gears? Sure but let's not fool ourselves, we care about those things they don't.

McDonald don't care of the health of ppl but they still placed on all their meals calories and nutritional values and abolished the super size me menu, because they were forced to do it so they could continue to rack up billions.

Again as I said before, it's all about money, so instead of trying to swim against the flow one should try to move the direction of it. You will not beat the river current but you can change it's direction with time.

 

[Sampei]

3000 USD per year ÷ 30 USD / vial is 100 vials per year or ~ 2 vials per week.

If that is alot of money for someone they really should find another hobby. Yeah, yeah, calculate the cost of GH and other shit too, readalot.

Food is 10x the cost of the gear. That's a whole 'nother harm reduction discussion. Setting the price too low also encourages the wrong demographic to (ab)use AAS.

But like I figured, it must be the resellers and associated folks with COI that drive the discussion here.

That is another story, I completely agree that many ppl shouldn't even have access to gear but let's be realistic, free will should be a staple of our society, isn't it? Same as a free market. You wanna make gear expensive so that only rich ppl hopefully with a brain will be able to afford it? And then you will just have bathtub brewer offering shit gear for cheap to fill that market gap.

 

[iris]

@readalot People have seen the problems with particulates, reported them but have done nothing to push for actual change.
It was just an accepted set of circumstances.
It is also true to say that, often, any attempt at complaining was quickly silenced by other members as irrelevant (this happens in other, "better" sources threads, too. Shielding the source from criticism is certainly not something that happens exclusively on their thread, as I have recently seen).

It is not a coincidence that this is happening now, with your presence on Meso.
And people will have a lot to thank you for, rather than call you a bubble boy.
You have brought real attention to it by raising above the constant off topic, the justifications, the clear displays of self interest.

But people' s unquestioning, abetting attitude on that thread certainly has not helped, always buoyed by the low prices and selling strategies that have made the source popular.
Qsc' s slowness and reluctance to initiate any meaningful improvement must be chastised (and you may disapprove of their business model) but members are at fault for accepting the products, prioritising price and approving all this.
They vote with their wallet, it is said.
People who don't buy from them are the ones who are critical.

If price is king and everyone agrees, the incentive is zero.
Even with all the changes they said they will bring and the amount of testing they have recently done, i am seeing that thread move along in exactly the same way it has, pre Readalot.
Everyone is just asking for the next promo.
The only one actively interested in engaging with the source to proactively tackle quality control issues is you, whilst some people still complain about Readalot being an annoyance.
Unfortunate, but true.

If a marginal price increase is needed to fund manufacturing betterment and eliminate all the customer service issues related to those problems, Qsc would still remain the most economical source (which is what they want) and therefore still retain their wide customer base, if not widen it even more.
To me, it is a business decision that makes sense.
Apparently, not.

 

[Qingdao Sigma Chemicals]

3000 USD per year ÷ 30 USD / vial is 100 vials per year or ~ 2 vials per week.

If that is alot of money for someone they really should find another hobby. Yeah, yeah, calculate the GH and other shit too, readalot.

Food is 10x the cost of the gear. That's a whole 'nother harm reduction discussion. Setting the price too low also encourages the wrong demographic to (ab)use AAS.

But like I figured, it must be the resellers and associated folks with COI that drive the discussion here.

It's here where you miss the global vision.

QSC is an international source. For the poor and the rich.

The federal minimum wage is $7.25 per hour in USA, that's about 15k$ a year, you're talking about spending 1/5 of yearly income of many on test Cyp.
And that's just USA, USA isn't the world, sometimes guys miss this point. Some countries in EU, we're talking also about $400-$500/month, that's 5k/year, big amount of bodybuilders in eastern EU.

Food cost less in many countries, I can get a healthy meal, with protein, rice, vegetables in plenty of asian countries, for $1-$2.
Gear cost is higher than food, in many countries.

 

[readalot]

But the success of ET has been because of that mostly. Surely not because we impacted their wallet convincing ppl of not buying their gear. What they saw was the opportunity of differentiate themselves from many other similar sources and they thought it could be a successful gamble for making more money.

Does that benefit the end users like me your or anyone buying UGL gears? Sure but let's not fool ourselves, we care about those things they don't.

McDonald don't care of the health of ppl but they still placed on all their meals calories and nutritional values and abolished the super size me menu, because they were forced to do it so they could continue to rack up billions.

Again as I said before, it's all about money, so instead of trying to swim against the flow one should try to move the direction of it. You will not beat the river current but you can change it's direction with time.

Got it. I need to put the reseller's perspective into clearer view. Hence, most of users of the QSC vials will never know they were "ET".

Cause as I scribbled out above, for the true individual user, the math is very clear.

 

[readalot]

free will should be a staple of our society, isn't it?

Yes, definitely free will.

You wanna make gear expensive so that only rich ppl hopefully with a brain will be able to afford it?

No. Just having discourse.

I understand your points.

 

[readalot]

It's here where you miss the global vision.

QSC is an international source. For the poor and the rich.

The federal minimum wage is $7.25 per hour in USA, that's about 15k$ a year, you're talking about spending 1/5 of yearly income of many on test Cyp.i

I gave an extreme example of someone blasting grams of gear year round. Hence the 3k USD at 30 USD per vial.

And that's just USA, USA isn't the world, sometimes guys miss this point. Some countries in EU, we're talking also about $400-$500/month, that's 5k/year, big amount of bodybuilders in eastern EU.

Good point. Yes, my analysis wrt food was US.

Food cost less in many countries, I can get a healthy meal, with protein, rice, vegetables in plenty of asian countries, for $1-$2.
Gear cost is higher than food, in many countries.

Agreed.

 

[Ateam2023]

@readalot People have seen the problems with particulates, reported them but have done nothing to push for actual change.
It was just an accepted set of circumstances.
It is also true to say that, often, any attempt at complaining was quickly silenced by other members as irrelevant (this happens in other, "better" sources threads, too. Shielding the source from criticism is certainly not something that happens exclusively on their thread, as I have recently seen).

It is not a coincidence that this is happening now, with your presence on Meso.
And people will have a lot to thank you for, rather than call you a bubble boy.
You have brought real attention to it by raising above the constant off topic, the justifications, the clear displays of self interest.

But people' s unquestioning, abetting attitude on that thread certainly has not helped, always buoyed by the low prices and selling strategies that have made the source popular.
Qsc' s slowness and reluctance to initiate any meaningful improvement must be chastised (and you may disapprove of their business model) but members are at fault for accepting the products, prioritising price and approving all this.
They vote with their wallet, it is said.
People who don't buy from them are the ones who are critical.

If price is king and everyone agrees, the incentive is zero.
Even with all the changes they said they will bring and the amount of testing they have recently done, i am seeing that thread move along in exactly the same way it has, pre Readalot.
Everyone is just asking for the next promo.
The only one actively interested in engaging with the source to proactively tackle quality control issues is you, whilst some people still complain about Readalot being an annoyance.
Unfortunate, but true.

If a marginal price increase is needed to fund manufacturing betterment and eliminate all the customer service issues related to those problems, Qsc would still remain the most economical source (which is what they want) and therefore still retain their wide customer base, if not widen it even more.
To me, it is a business decision that makes sense.
Apparently, not.

 

[readalot]

It's here where you miss the global vision.

QSC is an international source. For the poor and the rich.

The federal minimum wage is $7.25 per hour in USA, that's about 15k$ a year, you're talking about spending 1/5 of yearly income of many on test Cyp.
And that's just USA, USA isn't the world, sometimes guys miss this point. Some countries in EU, we're talking also about $400-$500/month, that's 5k/year, big amount of bodybuilders in eastern EU.

Food cost less in many countries, I can get a healthy meal, with protein, rice, vegetables in plenty of asian countries, for $1-$2.
Gear cost is higher than food, in many countries.

If you presented a pie chart of QSC annual revenue for AAS worldwide, how would it break out by region?

Another pie chart for revenue by product category ...peptides, AAS, etc. ?

I'll skip the peptides by geography for now as a whole other demographic that will skew our discussion most likely.

 

[Sampei]

If you presented a pie chart of QSC annual revenue for AAS worldwide, how would it break out by region?

Another pie chart for revenue by product category ...peptides, AAS, etc. ?

I'll skip the peptides by geography for now as a whole other demographic that will skew our discussion most likely.

This would be very interesting! I love pie charts!

 

[Grey Spartan]

Valid points. Filter anyway..

Reasons to do so go far beyond visible particulates. In fact, it's sub-visibile particulates that are considered the most dangerous to health, which means every single UGL oil could be a threat.

In a sense, visible particles are good, since they act as a reminder to filter, but their absence isn't an a reason not to.

No matter how effective a lab's filtering is, here is the particulate content of pre-sterilized empty vials:

(this can be avoided by refiltering into vials that meet the FDA's particulate standard)

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The sad part about this post is they found shit in an empty "sterile container". It will make most people say why even bother.

"If the filters, sterile vials and syringes I buy all come from China (probably the same ones QSC uses) whats the point in filtering my already filtered and processed oil? To sleep better at night? To have the chance my snowflake ass wont feel PIP?"

I'm all for harm reduction. But to be honest, what I find more disturbing than floaters is some members mental gymnastics against harm reduction or for their favorite source.

My ass cheek looks completely fine after using half kit.

If you don't have a pic it didn't happen bro. lol

 

[readalot]

@readalot People have seen the problems with particulates, reported them but have done nothing to push for actual change.
It was just an accepted set of circumstances.
It is also true to say that, often, any attempt at complaining was quickly silenced by other members as irrelevant (this happens in other, "better" sources threads, too. Shielding the source from criticism is certainly not something that happens exclusively on their thread, as I have recently seen).

It is not a coincidence that this is happening now, with your presence on Meso.
And people will have a lot to thank you for, rather than call you a bubble boy.
You have brought real attention to it by raising above the constant off topic, the justifications, the clear displays of self interest.

But people' s unquestioning, abetting attitude on that thread certainly has not helped, always buoyed by the low prices and selling strategies that have made the source popular.
Qsc' s slowness and reluctance to initiate any meaningful improvement must be chastised (and you may disapprove of their business model) but members are at fault for accepting the products, prioritising price and approving all this.
They vote with their wallet, it is said.
People who don't buy from them are the ones who are critical.

If price is king and everyone agrees, the incentive is zero.
Even with all the changes they said they will bring and the amount of testing they have recently done, i am seeing that thread move along in exactly the same way it has, pre Readalot.
Everyone is just asking for the next promo.
The only one actively interested in engaging with the source to proactively tackle quality control issues is you, whilst some people still complain about Readalot being an annoyance.
Unfortunate, but true.

If a marginal price increase is needed to fund manufacturing betterment and eliminate all the customer service issues related to those problems, Qsc would still remain the most economical source (which is what they want) and therefore still retain their wide customer base, if not widen it even more.
To me, it is a business decision that makes sense.
Apparently, not.

Agreed. It's real quiet in here.

It is great feedback on the customer demographic and motivations.

 

[readalot]

I'm all for harm reduction. But to be honest, what I find more disturbing than floaters is some members mental gymnastics against harm reduction or for their favorite source.

Would you mind expanding on this? In the RTF vial example, the obvious matter you state was never brought up. I was waiting. Well done.

 

[blastncruiser]

You are a low IQ drama queen and conflate floaters with sterility. The liquid can have filter fibers or rubber particles in them while still being sterile and free from endotoxins.

Oils from any source should be filtered, since you should be more concerned about non-visible particulates (the ones that actually will get sucked in through a needle).

What? Do you even logic? If floaters of that size went through the filter then clearly the smaller sized ones, "non visible particulates" went through the filter too. No really. Even if some freak event , how do you not see that when you have a vial in your hand and are putting the sticker on it ?

To defend a lab like this ? This is MESO not BOP, a board that defends sloppy labs- I was just on there and seen advanced pharma is still sourcing on their when like 15 products came back back on aasforum from Scoobs blindtest with jano.

 

[brutalbuilt]

this is why i only use qsc for peptides... i rather spend the extra money on my oils to make sure there's no floaters

gear isnt even expensive tbh unless your running shit ton of primo

 

[readalot]

This is MESO

Is it?