Question on t3

[pug]

If necessary I could post my whole cycle. So I am about to be on week 4 on t3 slowly tapering my dose up 100 mcg. So now I have been up at 100 mcg for a little longer than a week.
Days 1-4...................25mcg/day
Days 5-8...................50
Days 9-12.................75
Days 13-16................100
Days 17-20...............75
Days 21-24...............50
Days 25-28...............25

This was my original plan seems like most conservative but than I read that people run up to 150 mcg for like 8 weeks and recover just fine. What are you opinions on what I should do. I have not noticed much sides besides sweating more, and being hot at night.

Thyroid is working perfectly fine got my bloods before this cycle.
Thanks!

 

[Dr JIM]

What your rationale for thyroxine supplementation?

What end points do you intend to use as parameters of successful therapy?

What's your LBM, TBF, Age, height and weight?

What other PEDS are you or have you cycled?

Have you any other lab data, especially baseline testing?

 

[pug]

What your rationale for thyroxine supplementation?

What's your LBM, TBF, Age, height and weight.

What other PEDS are you or have you cycled.

Have you any other lab data?

LBM 153lbs, sitting around 12-13%. Age 21 soon, 5'7, total weight 171. First cycle basic test e, second cycle test e, dbol, third cycle tren with a half dose of test. Current cycle
tren e = 400 mg each week. test e = 200 mg each week.

Each cycle I used a different lab, first cycle I used bunk gear...
Current cycle I am using from a source here.

 

[Dr JIM]

What's your rationale for thyroxine supplementation?

What end points do you intend to use as parameters of successful therapy?

Have you any other lab data, especially baseline testing?

Is this Pharm thyroxine?

People "recover from ......" the adverse effects of most PEDs but wo a clearly defined goal or a cause and effect relationship, how then is "recovery" defined?

 

[pug]

Currently taking Vermodje, I also have Zhengzhou Pharm( have not tried yet).

 

[pug]

Sorry seemed to miss this part
"What's your rationale for thyroxine supplementation?

What end points do you intend to use as parameters of successful therapy?

Have you any other lab data, especially baseline testing?"

Burn fat, also I heard it does not matter but I heard tren lowers t3 levels, so I figured uping them would just be double the burn.

As far t3, no pct will be used just tapering down the dose.
For tren and test I will do clomid at 100/50/50/25
no I have never sent product to lab to get tested. If anything I just do bloodwork after cycle to make sure everything is running smoothly.

 

[Dr JIM]

Have you personally investigated the adverse effects of Thyroxine supplementation at the dose you using which is 6-7 time endogenous production?

Have you made any effort at uncovering, what if any effect, Tren has on Thyronie levels?

Based on what you have said, your using AAS as a "short cut" to what could be readily achieved naturally thru diet and exercise, an common yet unfortunate rationale for many your age to use anabolics IME.

Finally the notion you actually believe "you know what you are doing" is a scary thought as your posts clearly state OTHERWISE!

I've no doubt you've devoted considerable effort "researching" anecdotes of other "bros" parroting misguided words of wisdom, but that's NOT RESEARCH by any measure.

Good Luck.

 

[RodgerThat]

So you are 20 and on your fourth cycle... Have you every taken time off or have you been blasting since a wee tott? Also 150mcg of t3 is far too much if you can't get the results from 60-80mcg daily you are doing something wrong! And 153 at 12% after 3 cycles you don't have enough training and nutrition knowledge at all

 

[pug]

Based of what you have said your using AAS as a "short cut" to what could be readily achieved naturally thru diet and exercise, an common yet unfortunate rationale for many your age.

Good Luck.

Very true but at least I know what I am doing, with all my research, and not being abusive I know that more than likely I will not have any problems down the line. Everyone wants a shortcut, no one wants to be cashier when you could be a manager right away.

 

[pug]

So you are 20 and on your fourth cycle... Have you every taken time off or have you been blasting since a wee tott? Also 150mcg of t3 is far too much if you can't get the results from 60-80mcg daily you are doing something wrong! And 153 at 12% after 3 cycles you don't have enough training and nutrition knowledge at all

I have, most of my cycles have been very short my longest cycle would be 12 weeks the rest have only been for 10. 153 would be my lean body mass, my total mass would be 171. Its not that I haven't seen results its more of should I keep it going at 100 or stop the internet contradicts itself on the topic. Some people say you could run t3 for 6 months and recover fine others say should only do it for no longer than 6 weeks.

 

[pug]

Have you personally investigated the adverse effects of Thyroxine supplementation at the dose you using which is 6-7 time endogenous production?

Have you made any effort at uncovering, what if any effect, Tren has on Thyronie levels?

Finally the notion you actually believe "you know what you are doing" is a scary thought as your posts clearly state OTHERWISE!

Good Luck.

I never claimed to be an expert, however I am very knowledgeable on the subject, this is not my first forum. I have been reading from this site since 2013. I am not sure what you mean by this "6-7 time endogenous production?" would be nice to know, yes I do know what side effects to watch out for while on t3.

As far as I am aware studies on animals had lower t3 levels. However everyone respond different so just because it lowers my t3 levels does not mean it would lower yours.

 

[Dr JIM]

You want to understand the truth to whatever extent it's currently KNOWN, start with Google scholar, MedLine or PubMed, otherwise chances are what you "know" is either flat out WRONG, MISAPPLIED or MISINTERPRETED chirping on behalf of AAS forums, Supplement sales boards or PED blog parrots!

 

[pug]

You want to understand the truth to whatever extent it's currently KNOWN, start with Google scholar, MedLine or PubMed, otherwise chances are what you "know" is either flat out WRONG, MISAPPLIED or MISINTERPRETED chirping on behalf of forum parrots!

I am not going to lie, I do not look at google scholar, I get all my information from people on the forum, which is not the best source. It is difficult to read through an entire study with a lot of concepts, I most likely would not understand. You would just assume after reading, lets just say pct its all over the internet. Its pretty much set to 40/40/20/20 nolva 100/50/50/25 clomid, if you read that on 15 different sites the chance of it being wrong is unlikely, and based on personal experience which is most important to me I recovered perfectly fine each time. Which is a shortcut but like I said before, of course I want the easy way who wouldn't, if I could take a pill and become an genius I would. Instead of learning and reading for 50 years.

 

[Dr JIM]

"Animal studies"?

Why would they even be mentioned since the adult, post thyroidectomy, replacement dose has been WELL ESTABLISHED.

And what is that dose, between 10-20 mcg A DAY.

Thus the quantity of T3-4 you mentioned (150mcg/day) IS AT LEAST 6-7 TIMES what is required!

I wish you well.

 

[pug]

"Animal studies"?

Why would they even be mentioned since the adult, post thyroidectomy, replacement dose has been WELL ESTABLISHED.

And what is that dose, between 10-20 mcg A DAY.

Thus the quantity of T3-4 you mentioned (150mcg/day) IS AT LEAST 6-7 TIMES what is required!

I wish you well.

Well played hahah. So if the studies do a dose of only 10-20 mcg a day, how would I ever find a study where it was strictly for fat burning which would be abusing the substance. If it is considered abuse they wont study it or they will have very few because they do not want people to do it. T3 is obviously used to treat a medical hypoactive thyroid which is not the reason I am taking it.

 

[Dr JIM]

I will impart one last point for your own benefit, although it will no doubt fall onto deaf ears. Although thyroxine is anabolic and lipolytic at therapeutic doses it becomes a CATABOLIC substance at supra-physiologic dosages.

The fact you have NO KNOWLEDGE of this FACT, is prophetic with respect to why you should NOT be cycling any PED, excepting perhaps AMINO ACIDS, FOOD and DUMBBELL/BARBELL LOADS!

Moreover rather than pursuing a "short cut" as a means onto itself, learn how to train the right way and use the money your wasting on a temporary PED fix and hire and a qualified trainer, as the benefits are often infinite.

It's unfortunate but you "know" just enough to be dangerous, and to that end locate someone else who is willing to expedite your delinquency!

No luck with the latter? Oh just about any "source" will fit that billing, but rest assured they could care less about your or your heath, as long as they are selling product.

Pathetic!

 

[pug]

I will impart one last point for your own benefit, although it will no doubt fall onto deaf ears. Although thyroxine is anabolic and lipolytic at therapeutic doses it becomes a CATABOLIC substance at supra-physiologic dosages.

The fact you have NO KNOWLEDGE of this FACT, is prophetic with respect to why you should NOT be cycling any PED, excepting perhaps AMINO ACIDS, FOOD and DUMBBELL/BARBELL LOADS!

Moreover rather than pursuing a "short cut" as a means onto itself, learn how to train the right way and use the money your wasting on a temporary PED fix and hire and a qualified trainer, as the benefits of the latter are often infinite.

It's unfortunate but you "know" just enough to be dangerous, and to that end locate someone else who is willing to expedite your delinquency!

Pathetic!

No I definitely knew it was catabolic, that's the reason I included on a cycle. If not I probably would of ran t3 and clen by itself and bulked on tren. In a sense I have a trainer my friend has his pro card for competing and we lift and eat all the time together. However he does have godly genetics to were he can eat like shit and stay around 7%bf without cardio. But I appreciate the advice.

 

[RodgerThat]

So your friend has his procard and you train together and eat together but yet you are 171 pounds at 13% body fat after 3 cycles and in your fourth am I missing something here? Was there a family issue that pulled you away and you lost all your gainz or did you get deathly ill or something?

 

[pug]

So your friend has his procard and you train together and eat together but yet you are 171 pounds at 13% body fat after 3 cycles and in your fourth am I missing something here? Was there a family issue that pulled you away and you lost all your gainz or did you get deathly ill or something?

Its not like we are next to each other all day, usually eat once or twice a day together. Train together on occasion we do have different schedules so its difficult. First cycle was bunk. But not to use genetics as an excuse but if your going to say that, why are you not competing for Olympian if roids put us on the same level or something? I have come a long way I was once at 24%.

 

[I Declare WAR!]

You don't need bicycles to come that far.