Questions on First Cycle

[Ask]

Hi all,
Wanted to say hello as i have been reading this forum for a while now and have learned a lot from those willing to share their vast knowledge. I am 38 y/o, 6'2" 218lbs and am about to begin my first cycle. I have a few questions for the experts. I have read that test C or E alone is sufficient for ones first cycle. But like many others I am considering adding some Anvar or Dianabol. I would like to hear your opinion on this. Should I use Test C only and if not should I go with Anavar or Dianabol. Please check my post cycle plan and tell me what you think. I am having my labs done on Monday and hope to begin soon after.

I was considering the cycle below:
Week Testosterone-C Dianabol
1 500mg 25mg Every Day
2 500mg 25mg Every Day
3 500mg 25mg Every Day
4 500mg 25mg Every Day
5 500mg 25mg Every Day
6 500mg 25mg Every Day
7 500mg
8 500mg
9 500mg
10 500mg
11 500mg
12 500mg
Post-cycle Plan:
Week 3: 5000IU HCG total + 20mg Nolvadex daily
Week 4: 5000IU HCG total + 20mg Nolvadex daily
Week 5: 2500IU HCG total + 20mg Nolvadex daily
Week 6: 20mg Nolvadex daily
Week 7: 20mg Nolvadex daily
Week 8: 20mg Nolvadex daily

The other cycle would be the same amount of Test C minus the Dianabol and plus Anvar 50mg daily weeks 1-12.

 

[PS LABS FOUNDER]

Hi all,
Wanted to say hello as i have been reading this forum for a while now and have learned a lot from those willing to share their vast knowledge. I am 38 y/o, 6'2" 218lbs and am about to begin my first cycle. I have a few questions for the experts. I have read that test C or E alone is sufficient for ones first cycle. But like many others I am considering adding some Anvar or Dianabol. I would like to hear your opinion on this. Should I use Test C only and if not should I go with Anavar or Dianabol. Please check my post cycle plan and tell me what you think. I am having my labs done on Monday and hope to begin soon after.

I was considering the cycle below:
Week Testosterone-C Dianabol
1 500mg 25mg Every Day
2 500mg 25mg Every Day
3 500mg 25mg Every Day
4 500mg 25mg Every Day
5 500mg 25mg Every Day
6 500mg 25mg Every Day
7 500mg
8 500mg
9 500mg
10 500mg
11 500mg
12 500mg
Post-cycle Plan:
Week 3: 5000IU HCG total + 20mg Nolvadex daily
Week 4: 5000IU HCG total + 20mg Nolvadex daily
Week 5: 2500IU HCG total + 20mg Nolvadex daily
Week 6: 20mg Nolvadex daily
Week 7: 20mg Nolvadex daily
Week 8: 20mg Nolvadex daily

The other cycle would be the same amount of Test C minus the Dianabol and plus Anvar 50mg daily weeks 1-12.

the one with anavar 50mg a day would be better ...remember the dbl gains you will mostly lose after you stop ...also id do 750mg test c a week or 2 before you stop the dbl so you can have the extra kick from ur test c

if you did 50mg anavar and 500mg test c that would be a great cycle...anaavr is the best with test at 50mg and over a day

 

[Dr JIM]

FIRST CYCLE GROUND RULES (IMO)

1) Understand and accept the FACT a first cycle is never the last

2) Locate a Physician who will "work with you" (they don't need to prescribe AAS just be willing to evaluate those athletes who do, without giving them a rash of shit).

3) Pre-cycle labs (TT, E-2, LH,) are MANDATORY since they will determine your OPTIMAL baseline.

4) Annual Liver tests, UA, CBC and "chemistry panels" are also helpful (the LFTs assist in determining if hepatic dysfunction is becoming as issue because of ORAL anabolics.

5) A cholesterol and a lipid profile should also be performed since AAS are well documented to worsen these conditions.

6) YOU should ONLY use AAS if (premature <50yo) HEART DISEASE has NOT been problematic within in your family tree OR you have had a formal cardiac study performed to determine your "relative risk". (you will understand EXACTLY WHY I make such conservative suggestions when a close friend dies in the gym at a ripe age of 45)

7) HTN MUST be controlled BEFORE using these drugs


YOUR FIRST CYCLE

Cycles longer than 12 week cycles offer limited to NO BENEFIT to those which are longer.

Test at 500mg / week is usually more than adequate for first time riders.

Nonetheless it you must use another AAS in that first cycle, recovery (PCT) is just as important as the cycle it's self.

Ergo at a Test dose of roughly 2mg/kg/wk formal PCT is typically not required!
You MIGHT even be able to add an RX dose of Anavar (10-20mg/wk) and still not NEED bonified PCT but I would have the drugs available.

However if you add D-bol you better acquire some PCT meds to ensure prompt and effective HTPA recovery mate.

Whenever "cycling" involves more than one AAS stacking is the optimal approach IMO.

What that means exactly is TWO FOLD. (ESTERS and STACKING)
-- Longer acting esters are used in the BEGINNING of a cycle AND stopped before cycles end
---Shorting acting esters are used towards the END of a cycle and discontinued once the cycle is completed

--- AAS are best STACKED
Specifically lets look at a 12 WEEK three drug cycle CONSISTING of TREN, D-bol and TEST

TEST Enanthate is started at the outset and run for 4-6 weeks
TEST Prop is used the last 6 weeks

Starting at the end of WEEK FOUR
TREN Enathate is run for 4 weeks and switched to Tren -P to complete the cycle

Starting at the end of WEEK EIGHT
D-Bol is added to the cycle and run for 4 weeks

OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE A LOT OF READING TO DO, NOW MATE!

JIM

 

[Dr JIM]

The Tren component of the cycle example should be Tren-e followed by
Tren-acetate.

 

[Sworder]

I don't want to throw too many opinions into this mix as it will confuse Ask more than help. Dr Jim laid it out good for you already.

What are your goals for the cycle and why do you feel you need to throw hormones into the mix to accomplish them?
Take inconsideration Dr Jim's Point # 1, a first cycle is rarely the last cycle.

What experience do you have with running a consistent diet and what are your diet plans?

 

[BigSha]

I just don't get it why you will waist so much $ on HCG ... I mean if you are on a really strong androgenic cycle with high dosages of 2-3 different drugs i undestand but only test and var or dbol ... I would save it for the next cycle , seriously i would get some tribulus and do or the dose and a standard PCT .

 

[Ask]

I want to say thanks to each of you who posted. PS, Jim, and Sworder; your comments were helpful and forced me to re-evaluate some things. I have read many of your posts on this forum and respect and value your opinions. I have chosen to keep things simple sticking with the Anvar and Test C. I still have a lot of reading to do. I had some labs drawn this morning to check baseline. The area I am not sure of is the PCT.

PS: Thanks for feedback. I am taking your recommendation into consideration.

Jim: Great feedback with lots of facts and information. Much appreciated.

Sworder: My goals are to decrease my over-all body fat. I am not as concerned with size as I am with cutting. My experience with diet is pretty good. The tough part is getting started and I am there. Maintaining through the vacation holiday is my weakness. Thanks for feedback.

BigSha's comment has been wondering if I am over doing things regarding my PCT. I'm not worried about the money just want to do it correctly. I do appreciate the feedback. This is a great forum. Thanks all.

Ask

 

[viking23]

Dr jim can you explain why you would end test e at week4- 6. I understand the concept of switching to a short ester prior to pct. I just am curious to why you would run a long ester for that short a time . Thanks