Raloxifene for gyno?!

[johnnyBALLZ]

That's good i reactivated the thread!, but i thought it was about ralox, that is why i asked about results...i guess i will have to wait and see it for myself

Well I guess since I started the thread I should reply... Ralox made my gyno worse, it was a research chem and fucking bunk..

My advice?? Find pharm ralox (which is pricey) if you're going to go that route..

 

[flash]

What are you running?

test cyp 500mg/week
d-bol 40mg/day
anastrazole .5mg/eod

I am prone to gyno which is why I am running the anastrazole .5mg/eod instead of a lower dose and for the last couple days I have bumped up to 1mg/eod to try and get it under control. I have nolva & clomid on hand, but I am looking into other options if the anastrazole doesnt get it under control because Im starting to get a little soreness under my right nipple.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

test cyp 500mg/week

d-bol 40mg/day

anastrazole .5mg/eod



I am prone to gyno which is why I am running the anastrazole .5mg/eod instead of a lower dose and for the last couple days I have bumped up to 1mg/eod to try and get it under control. I have nolva & clomid on hand, but I am looking into other options if the anastrazole doesnt get it under control because Im starting to get a little soreness under my right nipple.

where's the adex from? if it's bunk it's not going to do much good..

start nolva at 40mg/day now for a week and run it at 10-20mg a day for the duration of the cycle..

 

[flash]

where's the adex from? if it's bunk it's not going to do much good..

start nolva at 40mg/day now for a week and run it at 10-20mg a day for the duration of the cycle..

ordered it and the rest from Naps everything else is gtg so idk why the adex would be bunk, but shit happens I guess.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

ordered it and the rest from Naps everything else is gtg so idk why the adex would be bunk, but shit happens I guess.

I had a few good gp products from naps but others, who I trust, did not.. No point speculating.. You can get labs done to send where e2 is but I would start the nolva now regardless..

 

[flash]

ok well Im definilty going to start the nolva thanks for the help. also assuming the adex is legit is my dosing schedule good because I was only taking .25mg/eod when the syptoms presented so i have only been taking more than that for like 3-4 days and assuming it is real how long would it take to work on the gyno?

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

ok well Im definilty going to start the nolva thanks for the help. also assuming the adex is legit is my dosing schedule good because I was only taking .25mg/eod when the syptoms presented so i have only been taking more than that for like 3-4 days and assuming it is real how long would it take to work on the gyno?

I need 3-4x the adex dose a normal guy takes, everyone's different.. You really need labs to find out what dose puts YOU at what e2 level..

 

[flash]

alright thanks for the advice brother.

 

[Wade Wilson]

This is an old thread, I'm wondering if anyone can provide any info on using Raloxifene or serms as a standalone to treat gyno, as in if there would be any side effects to doing so not on or following a cycle.

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

This is an old thread, I'm wondering if anyone can provide any info on using Raloxifene or serms as a standalone to treat gyno, as in if there would be any side effects to doing so not on or following a cycle.

Take 60mg/day for week 1 then drop to 30mg/day the rest of the time.
It is fine to use off cycle, in fact IMO thats the best time to try to treat your gyno.

 

[Wade Wilson]

Take 60mg/day for week 1 then drop to 30mg/day the rest of the time.
It is fine to use off cycle, in fact IMO thats the best time to try to treat your gyno.

Great! First off, I just want to say I'm pretty new here, and as of yet, everyone has been very supportive and helpful. I appreciate that in a community, as I'm not that big on forums, generally.

I've been digging for quite some time on this. As of yet, everything I've read states that this is a pretty safe option. I'm not experienced with AAS, and am pretty happy with my current hormonal function (for the time being). This is pubertal and possibly slightly aggravated by the use of DAA a few months back, which is fairly normal. If my understanding is correct, there isn't a likely risk of decreased testosterone levels or T shut down AFTER the use of Raloxifene or another SERM, correct? I plan on using an over the counter AI (just BSL Eradicate or something) in order to combat the slightly elevated E levels as the elevated T levels aromatize during the course of the SERM and following. Was thinking of using Aromasin, but the possible hair loss is just not going to fly for me. It doesn't seem like most men using it experience this, but in looking at forums of female breast cancer patients... Wow.

Anyway, I'm pretty certain I'll be following the regimen noted above. Any input would be appreciated. Should be gtg in about three weeks and I'll update, since I don't see many of those floating around specifically related to Raloxifene.

 

[Dr JIM]

Hair loss bc of Aromisin?

And the evidence you cite is the effect of this drug on FEMALES with breast CA, while your a MALE with PUBERTAL GCM.

I mean did you take into account the fact many of these CA patients were on CHEMOTHERAPY, and the impact of AIs on any females TT/DHT : E-2 ratio!

Let me give you a word of advice now fella, see a physician and have your condition properly diagnosed and treated before EXPERIMENTING with any ancillary drugs!

 

[Wade Wilson]

Dr. Jim,

I appreciate your input. I'm wondering if you'd be willing to provide any more. Thanks!

 

[Gynoreversal]

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Letro and stane are best to stop worsening of gyno... nolva is best to reverse symptoms.[/QUOTE

So raloxifene is not the recommended treatment for early signs of gyno??

It seems like people can't agree whether it's letro Nolva or raloxifene

 

[Gynoreversal]

That's one huge leap to suggest Relafen is superior to Tamoxifen based on a few PREPUBERTAL STUDIES!

Although Raloxifene maybe more effective than Tamo, in select patients, a cost of somewhere between $150- $250 dollars per month would preclude it's use on a routine basis for AAS associated cyclical gynecomastia.

Tamo is equally effective for ASS associated gynecomastia in the majority of patients, especially if some attempts are made at reducing the load of aromatizable AAS from the outset.

Importantly it's important to realize studies using "prepubertal gynecomastia" patients as the cohorts, although helpful to some extent, should be taken with a grain of salt since this condition reverses spontaneously in more than 95% of patients, which is in contradistinction to AAS related disease.

Moreover the comparison or concern that ANY SERM will cause bony demineralization if used over the course of a few months (as in AAS) or years (as in breast cancer) is simply not justifiable.

Furthermore the Raloxifene has actually been utilized as a form of therapy in PMP patients with osteoporosis because it's effect on BMD is minimal and possibly even PROTECTIVE

Overall although I suspect Raloxifene may be superior to other SERMs in the TX of gynecomastia, it's use should be limited to resistant cases if not for cost alone!

As JI mentioned although SERMS may result in a reduction of pre-existing gynecomastia. there IS NO EVIDENCE any SERM causes or results in cellular necrosis or apoptosis, which would be required for the therapeutic reversal to be long lasting or "permanent" (SEVERAL YEARS) as some
have claimed.

What does that mean? Fellas if you have had problems with gynecomastia previously (and have NOT had surgery for same) a SERM should be instituted BEFORE the inception of that cycle your contemplating and since the half life averages about 3 DAYS, treatment should begin at least TWO WEEKS (5 half lives) prior!!!!

The lack of a "long term" effect from SERMS should be of no surprise since a marked reduction in cellular reproduction is exactly what has been observed in PMP E-2 dependent patients treated with SERMS, rather than cellular death.


One final point of EMPHASIS must be made!

At LEAST TWO WEEKS of SERM treatment should have passed before a therapeutic failure is declared and the dose adjusted accordingly.

So paying $60 for 28x60mg tabs of raloxifene would indicate the raloxifene is not quality and should not be used. I ask because that is how much it's being offered to me. Or is that just what a prescription woukd cost?

 

[tubesox]

Nostalgia just set in on this one, miss my old bros

 

[Dr JIM]

Nostalgia just set in on this one, miss my old bros

Hey old timer where have you been fella

PM me if desired.

 

[tubesox]

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It seems like people can't agree whether it's letro Nolva or raloxifene

First off letro is an AI. Second Nolva is more commonly used all around where I'm from rather than raloxifene or torem. If you're not on any severe SSRI's go with the proven method time and time again. Nolva (tamoxifen). The others are commonly faked.

 

[tubesox]

Hey old timer where have you been fella

PM me if desired.

Makin $ my man, glad to see you're still active!

 

[Dr JIM]

First off letro is an AI. Second Nolva is more commonly used all around where I'm from rather than raloxifene or torem. If you're not on any severe SSRI's go with the proven method time and time again. Nolva (tamoxifen). The others are commonly faked.

But now just wait one minute here TS the other two are "newer and more expensive" so they MUST be better than that old timer Novladex medication. Well at least that's what the most recent bro-science literature (now that's an oxymoron if there ever was one lol) suggests.

Guess you can tell I've been doing A LOT of "research" in your absence mate