RBC count still high

[Cblack]

Ive donated blood 4 times this year all while cruising on 180 mg of test cyp. Before the start of donating I ran 500 mg test which shot my hemoglobin, hematocrit, and RBC through the roof. My body doesnt tolerate high doses of test well. Anyways while donating my hemoglobin and HCT is in range but seems to not effect my RBC very much. 4 donations and still out of range (6.22). Anyone else have this issue?

 

[Xplicit]

Stop donating blood... this is a thing of the past. Not effectice and has potential negative outcomes.

Supplement with Nattokinase. Its one of a few things I take that help with this but as far as I can tell its the power hitter. Ive had my blood counts come back in range (not even high range) on very high doses of EQ while taking natto.

 

[BigNoOne]

This may be helpful to you. From Dante Trudel (Doggcrap)

 

[buck]

I used to donate every 8-10 weeks when doing bigger cycles. Kept thing in range for me and lead to no negative downsides.

 

[BamaCrazy]

I’m trying to avoid the constant therapeutic phlebotomies this time around. I’m trying a lot of the usual suggestions. Hemo Flow by Leviathan has Nattokinase. Plus high hydration. Lots of cardio. And GSE drops plus a second naringin supplement. I had labs yesterday so I will know if it’s working today or tomorrow.

 

[last_travel1987]

One of the main points of steroids is to increase red blood cell production. Why are you trying to force it back down?

 

[Cblack]

I’m trying to avoid the constant therapeutic phlebotomies this time around. I’m trying a lot of the usual suggestions. Hemo Flow by Leviathan has Nattokinase. Plus high hydration. Lots of cardio. And GSE drops plus a second naringin supplement. I had labs yesterday so I will know if it’s working today or tomorrow.

I recently bought the hemaflow. Has not came in yet. Let me know how your numbers look bro.

 

[Cblack]

One of the main points of steroids is to increase red blood cell production. Why are you trying to force it back down?

Because I am not on a steroid dosage, im on a therapeutic dose. Too much increase in red cells cause high hemoglobin and HCT and in return causes your blood to thicken. Thick blood causes high blood pressure and cardiovascular issues. Those numbers should always be monitored.

 

[Cblack]

I used to donate every 8-10 weeks when doing bigger cycles. Kept thing in range for me and lead to no negative downsides.

It brings my hemoglobin and HCT down but barely effects my red blood cells

 

[last_travel1987]

Because I am not on a steroid dosage, im on a therapeutic dose. Too much increase in red cells cause high hemoglobin and HCT and in return causes your blood to thicken. Thick blood causes high blood pressure and cardiovascular issues. Those numbers should always be monitored.

Right - but regardless of dose its an AAS and is going to increase red blood cell production....that's what they do.

Your hematocrit and hemoglobin are already low and nowhere near any kind of zone to warrant even a glance.

Plus - the size of your red blood cells and the concentration of Hemoglobin in your red blood cells is already below range - probably from your incessant donation and attempt to drive your RBC's down. Not saying you're anemic, but that's what happens when you become anemic.

What does your iron levels look like?

Just seems like you're trying to fix something that isn't broken.

 

[Cblack]

Right - but regardless of dose its an AAS and is going to increase red blood cell production....that's what they do.

Your hematocrit and hemoglobin are already low and nowhere near any kind of zone to warrant even a glance.

Plus - the size of your red blood cells and the concentration of Hemoglobin in your red blood cells is already below range - probably from your incessant donation and attempt to drive your RBC's down. Not saying you're anemic, but that's what happens when you become anemic.

What does your iron levels look like?

Just seems like you're trying to fix something that isn't broken.

Correct. Iron was a little high but not concerning. Im not necessarily trying to fix anything, more so just wanted opinions on why donating gets my hemoglobin and HCT back in range but not my RBC. Most people I know when they donate it puts there rbc back in range along with HM and HCT. Doesnt seem to effect mine.

 

[Grey Spartan]

Do you live at altitude? The only times I've had high RBC was when spending over a week above 10,000 feet and taking 2000mg of vitamin C every day. However, I have have not taken over 375mg of test since checking blood work regularly.

 

[buck]

It brings my hemoglobin and HCT down but barely effects my red blood cells

So the day after you donate you are saying donating does not lower your RBC count. Or are you saying 2 moths later it is back to where it was 2 months ago?

 

[DECLAN]

@Cblack Do you have high rbc naturally? Because there are some like myself that high rbc runs in the family, check your baseline.

Do you have sleep apnea? Get checked and use a cpap if needed, it’s one of the few things Big guys neglect or don’t employ.

 

[Cblack]

So the day after you donate you are saying donating does not lower your RBC count. Or are you saying 2 moths later it is back to where it was 2 months ago?

The day after I donate. Usually stays in that range before and after donating. Only helps my hemoglobin and hct get back in range.

 

[Cblack]

I don’t belive so, but I never checked that kind of blood work before trt and gear. So honestly idk.

@Cblack Do you have high rbc naturally? Because there are some like myself that high rbc runs in the family, check your baseline.

Do you have sleep apnea? Get checked and use a cpap if needed, it’s one of the few things Big guys neglect or don’t employ.

 

[Cblack]

Do you live at altitude? The only times I've had high RBC was when spending over a week above 10,000 feet and taking 2000mg of vitamin C every day. However, I have have not taken over 375mg of test since checking blood work regularly.

No I dont.

 

[laclark89]

Never mind the block text and typos lol I rushed this.

 

[last_travel1987]

Correct. Iron was a little high but not concerning. Im not necessarily trying to fix anything, more so just wanted opinions on why donating gets my hemoglobin and HCT back in range but not my RBC. Most people I know when they donate it puts there rbc back in range along with HM and HCT. Doesnt seem to effect mine.

Donating will only acutely pull your RBC down as there is a feedback loop that will cause your body to go into RBC overdrive to replenish - this is why donating has more or less been phased out as a first line management tool - it actually ends up creating more issues long term.

Hematocrit is the percentage of RBCs in your blood, and the RBC number is the actual number of RBC's.

Donating has been having an impact on RBC - as made evident by your H&H numbers as well as your below range RBC indices.

I would suspect that it has something to do with your RBC indices being below range why you're seeing a slightly out of ratio RBC/HCT. Your body tries to find homeostatis and that is perhaps its response to constant donation.

In addition to the above - you could also have sleep apnea.