Readalots Enhanced Testing

[readalot]

From temp-ban, to one of the most valuable assets on the forum. What a rise to power.

I appreciate your kind words Brother.

Power? Haha, I got none. Just persistent and wanted to demonstrate a new way of doing things. I'm excited that there will be some new options in this paradigm coming soon for the UGL customers. Some vendors will embrace it (it appears).

I hope folks will share their thoughts and preferences. I hope the info I have shared is educational and useful to the community.

 

[BigNoOne]

Since I saw you on a source thread or two, what are your requirements for every vendor that is on the forum?
What should sources provide, on a continual basis, for the raw and finished products they offer?

I believe in testing. As long as it’s reasonable. My fear with the “enhanced” testing is that it creates a “nothing is good enough for MESO” environment amongst sources. Sources could snub the testing altogether. It was only a few years ago that HPLC testing demand across all sources was popularized here and then on other forums.

If the “enhanced” testing identified something concerning then my stance would be much different. But it’s clear to me that none of these analyses are “protective” in that there’s nothing there to begin with.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Question for everyone though. Knowing that this stuff isn’t a concern, are you still willing to pay $5 more per vial for a cert that confirms this stuff that’s not a concern is in fact not in your vial?

I wouldn't. We know its not an issue, hasn't remotely presented itself as a concern with people with standard brewing/filtering knowledge.

I believe in testing. As long as it’s reasonable. My fear with the “enhanced” testing is that it creates a “nothing is good enough for MESO” environment amongst sources. Sources could snub the testing altogether. It was only a few years ago that HPLC testing demand across all sources was popularized here and then on other forums.

If the “enhanced” testing identified something concerning then my stance would be much different. But it’s clear to me that none of these analyses are “protective” in that there’s nothing there to begin with.

All I see is a crusade used to inflate one's ego.

I dont understand why even hang out on UG steroid forums if one doesn't use it.

 

[BigNoOne]

As part of what should be sterile product manufacturing process? Only as good as the lab and its dead bacterial load.

You act as if they’re making these raws in some clandestine after hours lab haphazardly slapped together each night deep inside a slaughterhouse for cover.

This is their primary business. They make raws. They use a sterile lab. Dead Bacterial load? Yea. Ok.

What would you guess the endotoxin count would be if you left a sample of raws out open air in your bathroom then had it analyzed. How “sterile” does it have to be to prevent this contamination with endotoxins? Genuine question.

 

[Sampei]

To my uneducated eye, and simple mind…..those endotoxin results look good. Am I correct in that assumption?
I don’t know what the purity of raws should be. How do those stack up as far as what was expected?

Thank you guys for doing this.

Those RAWS are good, could it be better? Sure but they are on the high grade of the spectrum. Good RAWS are 96%-98% pure except for Boldenone and Deca that are usually lower purity. These RAWS came all at 96 or slightly lower 95% so they are considered of good quality, they would be excellent if they were all 98%.

Is 3-4% making a big of difference? In reality, not really, probably not at all.

We don't even know the difference between these purity and if even a lower one brings anything worse to the table, we don't know much just that as with everything something that is purer is considered better.

 

[readalot]

This is their primary business. They make raws. They use a sterile lab. Dead Bacterial load? Yea. Ok

Where do the finished products get made? Depends on the vendor, no? Quite a variance on where the raws get made into finished oil. That's where the endotoxin load would come in. Not from the raw factory.

Perhaps my endotoxin testing on raws was confusing. I did that to show load from raws. Same would need to be done with good sample of finished products. International vs domestic brewers.

 

[readalot]

I dont understand why even hang out on UG steroid forums if one doesn't use it.

I've answered this question a dozen times now so you aren't operating in good faith here at all.

Nothing has changed. You said I'm full of shit for not testing. I test and then some. You ask why I hang out on Meso without using UGL. I answer many times.

Now you feign ignorance and say you don't understand why I am here. You knew there was no endotoxin issue? How's that? Jano doesn't even know. Wonder why? Cause it's never been tested.

 

[BigNoOne]

In case your question is sincere:

And

How did you reach this conclusion? Its misleading. As part of raws synthesis? Correct.

These twerpy condescending comments is what has made you irritating.

“In case your question is sincere” what the fuck is that? The little air or false authority. Golly, I don’t want to waste the good doctors time with an insincere question.

Then I say “hormone manufacturing” and you have to correct it with “Raws synthesis”. Potato patatoe. Whatever dude. You can’t help but get these little quips in thinking you’re so smart that nobody will recognize exactly what they are.

If you want respect. You earn it and you give it. This isn’t a dainty tea party forum. Oh speak to us great readalot for thou is so virtuous and intellectual.

 

[BigNoOne]

I've answered this question a dozen times now so you aren't operating in good faith here at all.

Yea @Spaceman Spiff he wrote about lifting a weight once. So there. 3,775 nerd posts and 1 training post.

 

[readalot]

Yea @Spaceman Spiff he wrote about lifting a weight once. So there. 3,775 nerd posts and 1 training post.

Your research skills could use some work. This is an AAS forum. I don't come here for training advice and don't need any from a forum.

See if you can find why I am here. Shouldn't take you very long.

 

[biggerben69]

Wait, Astro was busted? I thought he exit scammed and later a vendor that he resold for (bio something) came here looking for him and his money.

I remember Astro well as he was my first vendor to use here. I loved that he was Karl’s ex brewer and kinda screwed him over if my memory serves me well

@biggerben69 @brutaltarik

Sorry for the late reply, B. Just saw your post now. Karl from Scirroxx came looking for Astro in the beginning of Astro's existence. Astro felt as if he was working hard and not being compensated fairly.

Scirroxx shipped their gear in large juggs and Karls employees on the ground here in the USA would transfer gear into 10ml vials. Astro started by under-filling vials and keeping and selling what he siphened off. At some point clients put it together that it wasn't a one time thing and that all the vials that came from Astro were underfilled.

Astro posted pics of the roll of Scirroxx sticker/labels that he had. He felt he was in the right and that he was taking what he was owed when he finally just took all the gear he had received. He was able to have a grand opening sale where everything he sold was at 100% profit margin.

I was a little upset that members didn't care that they were dealing with such a dishonest pos but thats how it went.

I don't have 100% proof that he was busted but that was the consensus among the folks I spoke to. He was out of PA and I was given a newspaper article about a bust that was supposed to be him.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

And

These twerpy condescending comments is what has made you irritating.

“In case your question is sincere” what the fuck is that? The little air or false authority. Golly, I don’t want to waste the good doctors time with an insincere question.

Then I say “hormone manufacturing” and you have to correct it with “Raws synthesis”. Potato patatoe. Whatever dude. You can’t help but get these little quips in thinking you’re so smart that nobody will recognize exactly what they are.

If you want respect. You earn it and you give it. This isn’t a dainty tea party forum. Oh speak to us great readalot for thou is so virtuous and intellectual.

He got banned before for trying to literally stir shit up by constantly tagging people. He is trying to turn it around and make it seem like he is a victim.

Yea @Spaceman Spiff he wrote about lifting a weight once. So there. 3,775 nerd posts and 1 training post.

lifting a weight once is an overstatement.

 

[readalot]

And

These twerpy condescending comments is what has made you irritating.

“In case your question is sincere” what the fuck is that? The little air or false authority. Golly, I don’t want to waste the good doctors time with an insincere question.

Then I say “hormone manufacturing” and you have to correct it with “Raws synthesis”. Potato patatoe. Whatever dude. You can’t help but get these little quips in thinking you’re so smart that nobody will recognize exactly what they are.

If you want respect. You earn it and you give it. This isn’t a dainty tea party forum. Oh speak to us great readalot for thou is so virtuous and intellectual.

Same. Don't ask me why I got obsessed with metals. That's some BS IF YOU DID YOUR HW. So same to you RE: respect.

Feel free to address my comments on HPLC purity as well that you ignored. You just jump to the next disrespectful comment.

And think about where ugl finished products are made. It ain't usually at the "pharma grade" factory. But you know that.

You don't like my sincere answers so no response then on to asking the same BS the next day. See you tomorrow for another installment of Groundhog's Day.

 

[readalot]

He got banned before for trying to literally stir shit up by constantly tagging people. He is trying to turn it around and make it seem like he is a victim.

You were here. What happened before I turned the tables and started dishing it out a tenth of what I had received? I don't need to make it seem like anything. It's all right there to read.

Thread 'Source QC and C of A (do you have one?)'

Oct 19, 2023

Some thoughts/suggestions for discussion after looking around here.

Realistic, overkill, get what you pay for, don't care?

Would like to hear members' thoughts, counterpoints, etc. especially on cost vs quality. The path to quality is known. Will people pay or too much for UGL customers?

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Every Source should provide with each shipment ...

1. 3rd party C of A on finished product batch specific to that shipment
- endotoxin screen
- metals with ICP
- purity(ies) / concentration(s) using hplc plus ms (or gcms)

2. C of A for bulk api for each batch (hplc plus ms or gcms)...

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Still just crickets...

Guessing substance ID and purity percentage, right?

Assuming a vendor tests raws and gets back, for example, 90% purity, you’re ok with the vendor adjusting the raws used in the brew so that the final oil reaches the advertised mg/ml dose? That’s the only thing that matters to you?

You have no concern with what’s in the other 10% of the raws, right?

Just trying to clarify your position on the additional testing suggested by readalot.

See bold above. What's your answer Dear Reader?

Are you here only to ensure your gear has the...

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[BigNoOne]

Same. Don't ask me why I got obsessed with metals. That's some BS IF YOU DID YOUR HW. So same to you RE: respect.

Feel free to address my comments on HPLC purity as well that you ignored. You just jump to the next disrespectful comment.

And think about where ugl finished products are made. It ain't usually at the "pharma grade" factory. But you know that.

You don't like my sincere answers so no response then on to asking the same BS the next day. See you tomorrow for another installment of Groundhog's Day.

Nah Groundhogs day is over. You only have a few remaining analyses left then Readalots Folly is complete.

The support for “enhanced analysis”….

 

[readalot]

Nah Groundhogs day is over. You only have a few remaining analyses left then Readalots Folly is complete.

The support for “enhanced analysis”….

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Yep, way to ignore my comments again. Your motivations are getting clearer to me. At first I thought they might actually be constructive. But tonight showed me alot.

Spending 3000 USD on testing is now Folly here on Meso? Who do you work for?

 

[BigNoOne]

Yep, way to ignore my comments again. Your motivations are getting clearer to me. At first I thought they might actually be constructive. But tonight showed me alot.

I didn’t ignore your GCMS comments the first time. I told you that Jano clearly responded that you cannot compare the area and peaks from the GCMS to the purity returned by the HPLC.

And since we are all waiting with gleeful excitement for your remaining Project 3 GCMS results, I figure the answer will reveal itself.

I’m betting that it won’t be an issue. Just like every other “enhanced” result.

 

[readalot]

And since we are all waiting with gleeful excitement for your remaining Project 3 GCMS results

HPLC results vs GCMS results with Test E reference standard. You still don't get it.

See you over at the threads of vendors who implement the testing.

AND ...Tell us more why we don't need testing surveillance of the UGL products?

Because someone with very very poor statistical inference skills says so?

8.5 Errors of Inference – Simple Stats Tools

pressbooks.bccampus.ca

 

[BigNoOne]

HPLC results vs GCMS results with Test E reference standard. You still don't get it.

See you over at the threads of vendors who implement the testing.

AND ...Tell us more why we don't need testing surveillance of the UGL products?

Because someone with very very poor statistical inference skills says so?

8.5 Errors of Inference – Simple Stats Tools

pressbooks.bccampus.ca

It’s cause I’m not nearly as smart as you.

None of us are.

And you will remind us every single time.

 

[readalot]

It’s cause I’m not nearly as smart as you.

None of us are.

And you will remind us every single time.

Remember your prized commodity ...respect.

I dish it out in spades to people who treat me the same way here and then some.

Good night.