Readalots Enhanced Testing

[keenpen]

Absurd pricing. A kilo of raws produced 350-400 vials. Even the most comprehensive testing downs cost thousands of dollars. $2 a vial is more than enough.

Personally, I'm glad that someone stepped up to give a premium line a try!

 

[narta]

Personally, I'm glad that someone stepped up to give a premium love a try!

Let's see the turnover after a couple of months compared to regular line

Wild guess: it will flop

 

[iris]

Wild guess: it will flop

Of a more cheerful disposition today, I see.
Happy vibes.
Must have had a good week, which is nice.

This, one, though:

Welcome to the fucking club

Why?

Stock answer: reasons.
Better answer (if allowed): ________

 

[readalot]

Let's see the turnover after a couple of months compared to regular line

Wild guess: it will flop

Good to see you and HTFET (HeretToFailEveryTime) agree. Lol.

Actively routing for the new line to fail. F'ed up. But not surprising.

 

[readalot]

Personally, I'm glad that someone stepped up to give a premium line a try!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

 

[iris]

Good to see you and bag of dicks agree. Lol.

I mean, however it goes it goes.
If sustainable, great, there is an audience and an opportunity for that.
A choice available for the ones who value it.
If not, if one doesn't try, one doesn't know, but it's good to get out of the comfort zone, sometimes.
Doing something different or in a different way can always bring about advancements for a business, in whichever way they happen to materialise.

 

[narta]

Actively routing for the new line to fail. F'ed up. But not surprising.

Not rooting, just stating the facts. The only difference between the two products is the testing. Same raws, same procedure, same kitchen and chef. Why pay more for the same end result? The name?

 

[readalot]

Not rooting, just stating the facts. The only difference between the two products is the testing. Same raws, same procedure, same kitchen and chef. Why pay more for the same end result? The name?

You are going to ask the same question again. Ok.

Supporting a vendor who does surveillance testing.

Supporting vendors who follow best practices.

Testing raws before use in finished products. Etc, etc, etc.

Would you like to pitch in with me to answer the -ene variant question on the Test ester raws? You been following that? Thoughts?

 

[RekTest]

Not rooting, just stating the facts. The only difference between the two products is the testing. Same raws, same procedure, same kitchen and chef. Why pay more for the same end result? The name?

I dont understand how, you, of all people dont get this.

It isnt the same, one product your getting to know all the variables and the other is missing info.
I personally hope this gets pushed more because I would pay the extra dime to fully know all the variables of stuff I am injecting, literally should be common practice by now anyways, but too many people are freakin cheapskates and drive the market down for the cheapest possible dog water.

 

[iris]

Not rooting, just stating the facts. The only difference between the two products is the testing. Same raws, same procedure, same kitchen and chef. Why pay more for the same end result? The name?

You know that 1 carat diamond ring you promised you'd buy me, next century: the dealer shows you two rings, look the same.
One comes with a certificate of authentification (more expensive) and the other does not (cheaper).

Which one are you going to buy me?

 

[readalot]

You know that 1 carat diamond ring you promised you'd buy me

Don't hold your breath on here My Dear.

 

[iris]

Don't hold your breath on here My Dear.

I know.
Extreme examples to get a response, sometimes...

It's just people pay extra for extra service or products, generally.
Idk why this should be different

 

[readalot]

Extreme examples to get a response, sometimes

Good luck with them folks.

 

[narta]

Would you like to pitch in with me to answer the -ene variant question on the Test ester raws? You been following that? Thoughts?

Test E is the only raw that suffers from that. Change in the procedure probably, but don't know what or why.

It isnt the same, one product your getting to know all the variables and the other is missing info.
I personally hope this gets pushed more because I would pay the extra dime to fully know all the variables of stuff I am injecting

Same product.

It's like getting the exact same thing from the Alibaba vendor that was tasked to produce 10 mil pieces of a name product and he is selling the extra 10 mil he produced without the label.

You know that 1 carat diamond ring you promised you'd buy me, next century: the dealer shows you two rings, look the same.
One comes with a certificate of authentification (more expensive) and the other does not (cheaper).

Which one are you going to buy me?

I will check for the laser inscribed sig of De Beers on both. If both have it, I will buy the cheeper one and have it evaluated by my buddy. If it's faked, the jeweler will have difficulty walking for his remaining years on this planet, with every step reminding him the consequences of being an asshole.

The premium line, in order to be REALLY what is advertised needs to have that tests done immediately after finishing production in the in-house, FDA certified, testing facility and when the batch passes all test to be packaged in tamper proof, uniquely identifiable packaging. Anything but that breaks the integrity of custody.

 

[RekTest]

Test E is the only raw that suffers from that. Change in the procedure probably, but don't know what or why.

Same product.

It's like getting the exact same thing from the Alibaba vendor that was tasked to produce 10 mil pieces of a name product and he is selling the extra 10 mil he produced without the label.


I will check for the laser inscribed sig of De Beers on both. If both have it, I will buy the cheeper one and have it evaluated by my buddy. If it's faked, the jeweler will have difficulty walking for his remaining years on this planet, with every step reminding him the consequences of being an asshole.

The premium line, in order to be REALLY what is advertised needs to have that tests done immediately after finishing production in the in-house, FDA certified, testing facility and when the batch passes all test to be packaged in tamper proof, uniquely identifiable packaging. Anything but that breaks the integrity of custody.

Tldr: im cheapskate and would rather resort to violence over my cheapstakeness

 

[narta]

Tldr: im cheapskate and would rather resort to violence over my cheapstakeness

 

[iris]

Test E is the only raw that suffers from that. Change in the procedure probably, but don't know what or why.

Same product.

It's like getting the exact same thing from the Alibaba vendor that was tasked to produce 10 mil pieces of a name product and he is selling the extra 10 mil he produced without the label.


I will check for the laser inscribed sig of De Beers on both. If both have it, I will buy the cheeper one and have it evaluated by my buddy. If it's faked, the jeweler will have difficulty walking for his remaining years on this planet, with every step reminding him the consequences of being an asshole.

The premium line, in order to be REALLY what is advertised needs to have that tests done immediately after finishing production in the in-house, FDA certified, testing facility and when the batch passes all test to be packaged in tamper proof, uniquely identifiable packaging. Anything but that breaks the integrity of custody.

So, the only thing that would justify the premium would be different production methods, really, for stuff to be made in a way and an environment that can be fully controlled.
Or testing and packaging that are way more stringent than any ugl would be able to guarantee.
I suppose this perspective is telling of you calling the extra testing impractical and unrealistic.

As usual, you are very well connected, with your diamond geezer checking precious stones ad hoc.
I am also liking your complete mistrust of the jeweller' s proposition and the Narta patented method for obtaining a refund, should the purchase result unsatisfactory.
Man, you always bring it.

 

[narta]

the only thing that would justify the premium would be different production methods, really, for stuff to be made in a way and an environment that can be fully controlled

That's what real life tells us: pharma aas are more expensive for that exact reason.

I am also liking your complete mistrust of the jeweller' s proposition

Years of experience has taught me that people lie for financial gain when there is a low chance for consequences. There are more fake/underdosed gear than fake wholesale coke for a reason

 

[iris]

That's what real life tells us: pharma aas are more expensive for that exact reason.

Years of experience has taught me that people lie for financial gain when there is a low chance for consequences. There are more fake/underdosed gear than fake wholesale coke for a reason

What I didn't really know is what Zebedee and SpacemanSpiff have been saying about sterility.
I thought each batch could be tested for it and its sterility guaranteed.
But they said that the many stages of the production process do not allow for this to happen and for confirming that the tested batch is sterile, in its entirety.

So, this would make the sterility test useless.
I wrongly assumed otherwise (well, ignorance).

Aside from hplc testing of the raws, you also think anything else is irrelevant.
If sterility cannot be confirmed, the same would go for endotoxins, if the two things can be related in the way contamination can happen.

We go back to purity (+ concentration for finished products) being the only test of interest, as far as ugl and home brewers are concerned.
Anything else, cannot be tested in a way that is reliable, because of the way it is produced.
= enhanced testing and more expensive lines for ugl are a waste of resources

 

[narta]

Sterility can be confirmed. For the vial tested, but not for a batch. So yes it's worthless in reality.

Oil with ba is not a medium that bacteria can grow. If there are any to begin with. Most infections are usually due to gross negligence from the user, reusing needles, not sanitizing properly hands and injection spot etc. there are far more bacteria in ones skin that can do damage when a needle penetrates the skin, than there are in an oily solution that have been properly filtered in a sterile vial.

I would be more concerned to have a top functioning immune system and spend money there than testing gear for things that haven't caused harm for decades according to real life data.