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[Excel.exe]

Any company that operates under a regulatory system, where products & the manufacturing process must comply to those regulations & were the companies can be held accountable.

so the likes of pfizer? merck? or compounding pharmacy like empower?

 

[Zebedee]

so the likes of pfizer? merck? or compounding pharmacy like empower?

Pfizer, Merck etc yes.

Compounding pharmacies - I’m in the UK & these don’t really exist in the UK or much of the EU either (because there’s simply very little legitimate need for them), so I’m not the best placed to answer this question. That said, I’m very cautious about them being put on a par with the pharma industry.

 

[RekTest]

Pfizer, Merck etc yes.

Compounding pharmacies - I’m in the UK & these don’t really exist in the UK or much of the EU either (because there’s simply very little legitimate need for them), so I’m not the best placed to answer this question. That said, I’m very cautious about them being put on a par with the pharma industry.

From what Ive heard from the TRT clinic groups that get their stuff from the compounding places, they are not on par. Under dosed iirc was a big thing

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Any company that operates under a regulatory system, where products & the manufacturing process must comply to those regulations & were the companies can be held accountable.

dont forget what kind of equipment they use as well is significantly better than any normal UGL

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

From what Ive heard from the TRT clinic groups that get their stuff from the compounding places, they are not on par. Under dosed iirc was a big thing

I hear this but I havent seen lab reports that say otherwise

 

[RekTest]

I hear this but I havent seen lab reports that say otherwise

I havent either, but I would believe it with the doses some of them are running and low blood work they show.

 

[Excel.exe]

Pfizer, Merck etc yes.

pfizer had to recall drug due to contamination at the late 2023 or early 2024.

 

[Zebedee]

pfizer had to recall drug due to contamination at the late 2023 or early 2024.

Yes but that illustrates perfectly the difference between pharma & UGL - recalls aren’t done voluntarily by the manufacturer, they’re done because the manufacturer has too under the regulatory system present in whatever countries they have a market presence. Such product recalls also often incur massive fines on the manufacturer.

Keep in mind here that unlike UGL, pharma companies face assurance inspections & audits of their facilities, processes, records for traceability etc.

Compare & contrast that regulatory framework & its implementations with a UGL telling a customer to “eat dog shit” over a complaint, or “sorry bro - OPSEC” over a vetting request to see evidence of the kit they claim to possess.

That said, the fact that even pharma companies don’t get it right 100% of the time (despite what I said about 100% guarantees) supports the point I was originally making, in that we need to be practical & realistic in our standards & expectations from UGL.

 

[Excel.exe]

Yes but that illustrates perfectly the difference between pharma & UGL - recalls aren’t done voluntarily by the manufacturer, they’re done because the manufacturer has too under the regulatory system present in whatever countries they have a market presence. Such product recalls also often incur massive fines on the manufacturer.

i never argued on the following the regulations and such.

what im trying to ask is, what good is a recall when it has already caused damage to a patient after you said you said this

If you want guaranteed floater free gear, buy pharma.

several years ago, dr reddy had to recall testosterone vials too.

Keep in mind here that unlike UGL, pharma companies face assurance inspections & audits of their facilities, processes, records for traceability etc.

you start paying more and the ugl would do it as well. im talking about chinese gear. not the labs that put on hefty price tag because their gear has a cute sticker on it that says it is trenbolone acetate dosed at 100mg/ml and 1000mg/10ml.

they might start including those papers with guide on dosing that is not written for ants.

Compare & contrast that regulatory framework & its implementations with a UGL telling a customer to “eat dog shit” over a complaint,

if you are talking about, tracy, then no doubt he is arrogant and very difficult to deal with.

but, people want cheap gear, next day delivery, vials of topmost quality, factory reports on everything possible, endotoxins reports and many other things, asking for reshipment if the tracking does not move for 1 hour.

all of it while paying $8 for a vial of test e and being high on androgens.

do you expect someone who goes through like that on a daily basis to treat customers like the real pharma? not gonna happen.

if you are unable to relate, i will give you a perfect example, go check reddit where everyday people ask if they should run tren as their first cycle or deca only perfect because that is someone used in the golden era. similar questions are asked every single day.

if you want any of the ugl that controls the market to do anything you say, talk with a bit of respect. if their ugl math says too much effort they will not listen to you.

not trying to defend or justify anything, but thinking from their perspective helps.

“sorry bro - OPSEC” over a vetting request to see evidence of the kit they claim to possess.

this is something that @Millard will handle as this is not something that should be ignored.

but will it really make any real difference? i can get those 3ml vial kits and fill with mannitol powder and call those kits something they are not.

That said, the fact that even pharma companies don’t get it right 100% of the time (despite what I said about 100% guarantees) supports the point I was originally making, in that we need to be practical & realistic in our standards & expectations from UGL.

did not read till the end, but yes, exactly my point.

 

[Liter O' Test]

but, people want cheap gear, next day delivery, vials of topmost quality, factory reports on everything possible, endotoxins reports and many other things, asking for reshipment if the tracking does not move for 1 hour.

all of it while paying $8 for a vial of test e and being high on androgens.

I don't like this anti-consumer strawman argument that I see repeated over and over again , ad nauseam

do you expect someone who goes through like that on a daily basis to treat customers like the real pharma? not gonna happen.

"goes through that daily"
You mean interacting with customers? Like any job?
Oh poor them.
Also they have employees, its not one fuckiing guy stirring up the gear then running to his laptop to answer a question.

I swear people like you think they are running a charity for us.

if you are unable to relate, i will give you a perfect example, go check reddit where everyday people ask if they should run tren as their first cycle or deca only perfect because that is someone used in the golden era. similar questions are asked every single day.

You are comparing business customer service to reddit cycle advice,
This is a strange comparison, yet you say it is "perfect"

if you want any of the ugl that controls the market to do anything you say, talk with a bit of respect.

haha

if their ugl math says too much effort they will not listen to you.

Yeah.. OK... because everyone who sells something is moral, ethical, principled and fair? They do the "calculations"...we just have to trust an anonymous random unaccountable person out of 6 billion people on this planet that they have both of our best interests in mind, some sort of drug dealer hippocratic oath?

You seem like the type to pay sticker price for a car and send him a gift card in the mail as a thank you.

give me a break dude,
your first injection was probably adminstered by a doctor

 

[readalot]

That said, the fact that even pharma companies don’t get it right 100% of the time (despite what I said about 100% guarantees) supports the point I was originally making, in that we need to be practical & realistic in our standards & expectations from UGL.

I read this comment and thought of this passage but they posted it in another thread. Should post it here as well.

MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'GenericAsia - International & US Domestic'

Today at 9:34 AM

Also, fuck all you who hyped this seller up, convincing me to buy a bunch of kits, like exactly one day before leaky packages, price gouging, extreme delays, and pubes in vials became a thing. Oh, and yeah, there's plenty of pip in the shit I got... everyone talking about how buttery silky smooth GA's oils are. Your judgement is bad and you are bad, good day, sir.

Weird. I wasn't convinced. I didn't order from GA. What personal responsibility do you take for your actions?

Try supplementing your day with some Bertrand Russell...

• readalot

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A quote from Proposed Roads to Freedom

The great majority of men and women, in ordinary times, pass through life without ever contemplating or criticising, as a whole, either their own conditi...

www.goodreads.com

Without clearly defined quantitative standards/metrics, the camel gets his proverbial nose under the tent and we are left right back where we always were. No measurement, no management. Hence, the motivation to collect surveillance data to improve the quality of UGL gear.

 

[Excel.exe]

I don't like this anti-consumer strawman argument that I see repeated over and over again , ad nauseam

i will make sure to note down what your likes and dislikes are so i can align my views towards your because you own this board.

"goes through that daily"
You mean interacting with customers? Like any job?
Also they have employees,

yes. but i was talking about when tracy was the only sales agent, at least on whatsapp. when you are the only sales agent taking that many orders in, daily, you will be prone to more rude comments because you think too highly of yourself and at the same time have interacted with too many smart people.

its not one fuckiing guy stirring up the gear then running to his laptop to answer a question.

are you saying i should let it slide if that was the case?

I swear people like you think they are running a charity for us.

continue misinterpret everything i say.

You are comparing business customer service to reddit cycle advice,
This is a strange comparison, yet you say it is "perfect"

you missed the analogy. but since you are trying so hard, i will give you another example.

imagine you are a recruiter and you have to interact with job candidates every day. you review resumes, ask questions, and evaluate their qualifications. however, many candidates will lie about their experience, exaggerate their skills, or provide misleading information to get hired.

at certain point of time, you will think to yourself "he knows i know that he is lying, so why would he lie to me? is he stupid?"

then after certain point of time, you will start looking down on them because of your ego.

regardless of how much that recruiter loves that job, he will end up hating it because the type of people he had to interact with.

Yeah.. OK... because everyone who sells something is moral, ethical, principled and fair?

you seem to be projecting too much.

They do the "calculations"...we just have to trust an anonymous random unaccountable person out of 6 billion people on this planet that they have both of our best interests in mind, some sort of drug dealer hippocratic oath?

a good advice or suggestion is a good advice or suggestion regardless of where it is coming from.

some sort of drug dealer hippocratic oath?

you watching too many movies, man.

give me a break dude,

alright, go ahead and respond here until then

you have yet to answer the questions i asked you, professor.


im sorry, but was that an attempt to offend me in an intellectual conversation about shbg?

You seem like the type to pay sticker price for a car and send him a gift card in the mail as a thank you.

your first injection was probably adminstered by a doctor

you still resort with unimpressive and unoriginal comments.

 

[Zebedee]

i never argued on the following the regulations and such.

what im trying to ask is, what good is a recall when it has already caused damage to a patient after you said you said this

several years ago, dr reddy had to recall testosterone vials too.


you start paying more and the ugl would do it as well. im talking about chinese gear. not the labs that put on hefty price tag because their gear has a cute sticker on it that says it is trenbolone acetate dosed at 100mg/ml and 1000mg/10ml.

they might start including those papers with guide on dosing that is not written for ants.


if you are talking about, tracy, then no doubt he is arrogant and very difficult to deal with.

but, people want cheap gear, next day delivery, vials of topmost quality, factory reports on everything possible, endotoxins reports and many other things, asking for reshipment if the tracking does not move for 1 hour.

all of it while paying $8 for a vial of test e and being high on androgens.

do you expect someone who goes through like that on a daily basis to treat customers like the real pharma? not gonna happen.

if you are unable to relate, i will give you a perfect example, go check reddit where everyday people ask if they should run tren as their first cycle or deca only perfect because that is someone used in the golden era. similar questions are asked every single day.

if you want any of the ugl that controls the market to do anything you say, talk with a bit of respect. if their ugl math says too much effort they will not listen to you.

not trying to defend or justify anything, but thinking from their perspective helps.


this is something that @Millard will handle as this is not something that should be ignored.

but will it really make any real difference? i can get those 3ml vial kits and fill with mannitol powder and call those kits something they are not.


did not read till the end, but yes, exactly my point.

No disrespect intended, but I think your fixating on my particular (& in retrospect, poor) choice of words here (which I’ve already essentially amended in the final paragraph of my last post) & trying to make an argument out of them.

Leaving aside semantics though, how often do you see a pic of a floater in an unopened pharma ampoule posted on a bodybuilding forum? I never have In around 25 years - with hindsight, that would of been a better argument for myself to make earlier!

Product recalls affect every industry, not just pharma: food, cars, planes, phones …. the list is endless. Again, these happen because of the enforced regulatory framework (which can issue penalties) under which these industries operate, not because companies choose to do so. Suggesting an UGL can regulate itself is just silly.

As I said, you can’t equate UGL & pharma, be it in from either direction, positive or negative. An extremely rare pharma product recall doesn’t put pharma on the same level as UGL. And it’s precisely because of this that expecting UGL’s to adhere to pharma regulatory standards is a total non-starter.

However, that does NOT mean we shouldn’t be pressuring them to improve the quality of their products (& CS) & showing evidence of this.

 

[Excel.exe]

No disrespect intended, but I think your fixating on my particular (& in retrospect, poor) choice of words here (which I’ve already essentially amended in the final paragraph of my last post) & trying to make an argument out of them.

did not read till the end, but yes, exactly my point.

 

[Zebedee]

I read this comment and thought of this passage but they posted it in another thread. Should post it here as well.

MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'GenericAsia - International & US Domestic'

Today at 9:34 AM

Also, fuck all you who hyped this seller up, convincing me to buy a bunch of kits, like exactly one day before leaky packages, price gouging, extreme delays, and pubes in vials became a thing. Oh, and yeah, there's plenty of pip in the shit I got... everyone talking about how buttery silky smooth GA's oils are. Your judgement is bad and you are bad, good day, sir.

Weird. I wasn't convinced. I didn't order from GA. What personal responsibility do you take for your actions?

Try supplementing your day with some Bertrand Russell...

• readalot

• 
• 

A quote from Proposed Roads to Freedom

The great majority of men and women, in ordinary times, pass through life without ever contemplating or criticising, as a whole, either their own conditi...

www.goodreads.com

Without clearly defined quantitative standards/metrics, the camel gets his proverbial nose under the tent and we are left right back where we always were. No measurement, no management. Hence, the motivation to collect surveillance data to improve the quality of UGL gear.

I’ll respond to this later mate as I’ve got other things to be doing at the mo.

 

[readalot]

I’ve got other things to be doing at the mo

Cool!