Definitely your choice to do with the testing what you will. Glad you at least are able to share it in private groups - still provides a valuable service especially to those that are most engaged in the bodybuilding community.
I wish there was something that could be done specifically to reduce the disgust of the vets..I suppose I simply don't understand nor have been around long enough to fully understand the source of disgust (aside from old history and a current perceived misappropriation of equal justice for internet misbehavior). I'm not dismissing the concerns of others....I just don't know a way forward.
FWIW, there are still relative newbies capable of learning and listening to all sides of the arguments. I suspect there are plenty of quiet voices on the sidelines who get something out of the contributions from all sides (as long as comments are made in good faith).
For some of us who do test, I don't think many of us will want to work together. Just like I am being accused of having a conflict of interest for so many thing. I could give 2 shits about contributing or helping him.
If I agree with him, thats amazing. If I don't, its a conflict of interest CAUSE I WAS A SOURCE. See how childish that is?
I just don't care for this forum as I once did. Not that I don't give care about what happens to people, its just with the way things have gone.
So many AI based responses, people who google information, and ultimately passing out information that cannot be applied in day to day life.
It is pretty much what separates some people who study theory and people who are in practice.
Don't get me wrong, I love learning about science, different PEDs, peptides etc.
The old saying of "STFU AND LIFT A WEIGHT" means something here
- 1.) Vets/OG/disgusted group - that seem to agree more testing is a good thing (but I guess disgusted that Readalot is leading the charge?)
Yes. he is large part of the reason. other part is practical application of the enhanced testing as I have mentioned before, implementation. Again, data collection is fine.
Wonder why no one has responded in a positive manner?
last "apology" he the threw a tantrum.
It proved my point. That is why none of us would want to be part of anything with him and we still have little to no respect for his project
Hey
@Millard, I'd appreciate it if you didn't ban anyone who participated here in the last few days. Bans would be a shame. It's pretty clear this place is their world, not mine. If there was any significant support for this we would have seen it by now. The last 10 pages here tell the story. I've taken this testing bit about as far I will be able to. Perhaps someone with better approach can salvage something out of it.
@Spaceman Spiff it's clear we will never get on and you said some shitty stuff about me. I should have not pressed you on the sourcing. I wish you...
- 2.) Team Readalot (though he really has tried to make it clear at times he is hoping others will join the charge).
You already have an idea of what I am going to say and it will just be another online argument of why none of us like him. No point of circling back. By even asking some of these questions will go back into a flame ware.
I am a little surprised you would even ask me a question like this cause ultimately it will be an argument.
I understand his approach can be over-bearing..I'm just not sure anyone else has the will to push relentlessly forward with a vision. "Asking nicely" just isn't going to get it done with sources.
What vision? Just sitting at a computer, never planning to buy anything is a vision? if I was him, I would have placed an order for 3+ raws from different suppliers and send it in for GCMS testing to see if there is any evidence that they are different(possibly from different factories). What I have noticed him complain about is how he spent 3000 dollars on stuff and how it may go to waste, etc. there are so many quotes I can do of it here.
He has done no actual effort for HIMSELF to get a safe supply of product.
I look forward to the ongoing ideas you all are working on as I realize there are some side projects people are working on. I do think there is still room for collaboration if we can just get past the disgust part. Internet communication has serious limitations...add in androgens and shit, it's a fucking time bomb every day (goddam, imagine what a woman has gotta go through every month come to think of it).
I may be naive and new-ish...i do agree with your points about learning to walk instead of run for newbies so thanks for reminding me of that.
Apologies for any contribution to making MESO a shit storm...never my intention but now that I've been here long enough, I see what a cluster fuck it can be to have the Reddit invasion of QSC (admittedly how i ended up here...and now I spend all damn day (well...i do still have a job go to..so not ALL day) on MESO instead of Reddit...lol)
Hopefully things can clear up and be hospitable for all who want to be part of the harm reduction goals....especially with QSC gone.
QSC wasn't a problem. it was the dick riders overall. wanting cheap gear. no testing, It was a chinese distributor/manufacturer dealing with the general public.
Since its more open and people know who I was.
As
@Rido, I resold the QSC oil and didnt like what I saw. Pretty much the primary complaints. cheap vials, Aluminum tear off tops(which I don't understand would exist on injectable vials), I found 10% vials with floaters oh one order.
I stopped carrying it for that reason and source from @goodylfe and
@CCUSA for a lower profit margin. I didn't feel comfortable doing selling QSC oils.
Despite all of these concerns that are public, people still buy QSC oils. They don't care. This has been proven constantly. They base testing for oils from a year old report after probably 10k vials have been generated
I purchased most of my raws and peptides from QSC, tested them, and they came out to what Satisfactory, delivery was great, and peptides were phenomenal
There was a 30mg tirz order way back when that I question even today. That's why I did the variance testing now.
Let's throw this scenario out there now with another manufacturer. Let's say there is a problem with raws, primo, etc. Right now we can assume there are 1-2 manufacturers. How much power do we have to implement change? Would people stop buying from them because Test C tested at 94%? or maybe a kg Primo tested at 92%? I am not sure if you know this. Primo costs 1k per 100g with no discount.
Primo usually tests very high, its an expensive Raw. If there was something wrong with the raw material, do you think a source would admit to it, do a GCMS test and find out what happened? Very doubtful, they may lose 10k worth of raws.
Data collection is nice to know "What happened" or why things are a certain way.
Kind of like when
@janoshik offered to do the anadrol testing. I was so anal with making capsules, I didn't know why my final product was off. I could dose cialis properly, winstrol(powder not crystallized)
Then we found out moisture affects the oxymetholone raws which is unique. The test was not paid for, Janoshik did this for the good of the community.
So as some of you know. I was getting irritated with my Anadrol capsule making, it was 20% overdosed. Also some of the test reports havent been great.
I have made 3 sets of capsules and tried to fix my recipe. all have been overdosed. Last time was only 10% overdosed when I decided not to intentionally not make up for the lack of purity. This is when I was questioning if the filler and mixing process was drying out the water from the anadrol?
Some of those that do not know about Anadrol is that it is flour like. I was suspecting water content could play a role. At the same time some...
Again, I don't see us coming to an agreement.
