So what?
They paid for it and he did the test, like he does all others.
I don't think Jano objected to doing it, but maybe I misread his post and you are right. Are you?
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So what?
They paid for it and he did the test, like he does all others.
I don't think Jano objected to doing it, but maybe I misread his post and you are right. Are you?
I wouldn’t either banking off you clowns when he already mentioned that he has never seen it test positive. I give a rats ass
Dirthand
Well-known Member
I want to be very clear about my personal feelings since you have been so generous to share yours.... I could give 2 shits about heavy metals and the likes. I did my part in this simply because it was helping someone do something they was passionate about. I supported someone in something i didn't belive in just for the sake of community, positivity, and compassion. And that makes me feel good about myself ... and about life . I hope you can find it in your heart to start being a little more positive and supportive of other people despite having an opposing view.
Peace
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Dirthand
Well-known Member
Thank you for taking the time to explain a little!! Much appreciated.Time to go through it *again* !Slight nuance to that.
Came back to figure I should explain noise = random noise/electronic noise.
Cheers
Peace
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You are very positive towards the forum guy. Appreciate you and what you do Nothing negative towards you
I'm also curious on how metals and endotoxin tests would turn out for actual pharma oils. Nobody probably expects the UGL oils to have great numbers when it comes to metals and endotoxins... but what if pharma AAS also had bad numbers even with supposedly GMP facilities being used?
Machines malfunction, employees can be lazy or make mistakes and corporations circumvent/ignore regulations most of the time for profit; nobody is on point every time.
bigMoJo
Member
Yeesh, you can say that again... look at Boeing.
egruberman
Well-known Member
I do, actually. At least the ones manufacturing at scale.
Type-IIx
Well-known Member
No guys. This is Chicken Little syndrome — and spreading it can bring “foxes” to the henhouse. Think scammers and conmen preying by PM on this.
If you’ve never read the fable: “the sky is falling” comes from this — it’s a cautionary tale of spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt, and failure to apply critical thinking.
There’s simply no reasonable basis WHATSOEVER for the belief that heavy metals are present in AAS supply in biologically active levels.
You’re obviously right, we’re just shooting bullshit. As far as we’ve seen on tests, there’s no case of heavy metal.
Agreed. My original comment was entirely theoretical and more about comparison of analysis results of pharma vs UGL.
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Type-IIx
Well-known Member
Not sure what you said, but don’t ever feel censored here, this kind of thread is very important for the community especially for new users who don’t know that heavy metals aren’t present in UGL/black market AAS!
It’s especially important that someone puts together one final post linking to all the testing results with a clear explanation about them, once finalized.
I know that, speaking for myself, I’m not clear about what tests have been requisitioned or what they mean still. All that I’ve been attuned to is to the heavy metals aspect that I thought had been fairly closed. But there’s more testing, @Dirthand promises something to the tune of six (6) specialized tests.
I certainly expect residual solvents and cross-transfer of different chemicals used in manufacturing that might be characterized as “contamination” or “cross-contamination.” I just also don’t think this should be conflated with heavy metal toxicity!
Debate and disagreement make the world go ‘round bro
RandallFlagg
New Member
"Heavy metals" was but ONE of the testing components (and even that request was mostly backed off of by Readalot in forum threads).
I would prefer all results at once to avoid people "tuning out" and making other straw man arguments in one direction or another.
I think sterility (and endotoxin exposure) are the most important factors to at least raise awareness about. Even if this batch turns out "perfect", people should be aware of the risks (I truthfully never gave it a ton of thought until Ghoul and Readalot sounded various alarms...though I get it not be news to others who have done this for 20+ years).
The latest ban is a shame but I presume it falls under the "sophomoric debates"...and "he started it" doesn't fly unfortunately (even if we can usually see how it plays out in real time on the 'Net).
Thanks for funding Readalot and thanks for playing along Dirthand... pretty cool to see this level of coordination of a process and results being shared here.
I would prefer all results at once to avoid people "tuning out" and making other straw man arguments in one direction or another.
I think sterility (and endotoxin exposure) are the most important factors to at least raise awareness about. Even if this batch turns out "perfect", people should be aware of the risks (I truthfully never gave it a ton of thought until Ghoul and Readalot sounded various alarms...though I get it not be news to others who have done this for 20+ years).
The latest ban is a shame but I presume it falls under the "sophomoric debates"...and "he started it" doesn't fly unfortunately (even if we can usually see how it plays out in real time on the 'Net).
Thanks for funding Readalot and thanks for playing along Dirthand... pretty cool to see this level of coordination of a process and results being shared here.
bigMoJo
Member
We're at a crossroads of Chicken Little and:
"I can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take a butcher's word for it."
Dirthand
Well-known Member
Mr. Readsalot will have his ban lifted on Nov 1 i do beleive. . Hopefully I am positive he will have an organized presentation together for the whole project.(assuming all the test will be in by then). I do beleive you are right even though, there will be some kind of useful knowledge come out of this in any case. .
Hopefully I am not overstepping my bounds by stating (because this is reads thing) but I do know that there are other sizable project in process's of a simular fashion with other UGL products involving he and other members of the community.
Although it is not really my thing I do beleive it is an admirable research project in the overall big picture.. I was glad that I was able to be a small part in the beginning.... If i had more of a scientific intellect I would for sure be more involved.. however I am geared more tward a practical application mindset..
Hope everyone has a great Friday. Don't forget to inject, or swallow something performance enhancing today and lift something heavy!!!
Peace
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Type-IIx
Well-known Member
Assuming he comes back, but maybe he’d be embarrassed — if not for the results then because of whatever it is that led to the ban? Should certainly do him the courtesy of waiting though this is his “baby.”
It’s been done before, everything is cyclical. Even with these results doubters will persist. It’s a necessary fact of course since everything is cyclical and so the people who do this work will come and go, and the cycle will repeat for the next wave of new bodybuilders, to sort it out amongst themselves ad repeatum.
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Dirthand
Well-known Member
I communicate with him via email daily!! He is certainly on his way back...
RandallFlagg
New Member
The problem with this argument is if the butcher fucks you over, his business is done (at best, he goes to work for the corporate meat slicer down the road).
Our butcher fucks us over - we are blissfully unaware - and they just open up as "ABCDEFu USA dome-stiK pharma" again next month. (And I guess they don't exactly owe it us to have our health in mind in this trade).
I understand your sentiment but the analogy fails on all levels (and no, I'm truly not trying to be confrontational on that... I respect there are two valid sides to this argument/discussion).
