Type-IIx
Well-known Member
We're at a crossroads of Chicken Little and:
"I can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take a butcher's word for it."
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We're at a crossroads of Chicken Little and:
"I can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take a butcher's word for it."
OK coolI communicate with him via email daily!! He is certainly on his way back...
Trust is still vital! FUD erodes it. That’s my “take” on this matter. Hopefully this brings closureThe problem with this argument is if the butcher fucks you over, his business is done (at best, he goes to work for the corporate meat slicer down the road).
Our butcher fucks us over - we are blissfully unaware - and they just open up as "ABCDEFu USA dome-stiK pharma" again next month. (And I guess they don't exactly owe it us to have our health in mind in this trade).
I understand your sentiment but the analogy fails on all levels (and no, I'm truly not trying to be confrontational on that... I respect there are two valid sides to this argument/discussion).
Good take. Not taken negatively at all. You may not know, but I'm in the "more testing" camp. I was comparing—possibly not in the best of analogies—pretty much the sides of the debate. You go ahead and keep speaking your mind, it never hurts to hear constructive input.The problem with this argument is if the butcher fucks you over, his business is done (at best, he goes to work for the corporate meat slicer down the road).
Our butcher fucks us over - we are blissfully unaware - and they just open up as "ABCDEFu USA dome-stiK pharma" again next month. (And I guess they don't exactly owe it us to have our health in mind in this trade).
I understand your sentiment but the analogy fails on all levels (and no, I'm truly not trying to be confrontational on that... I respect there are two valid sides to this argument/discussion).
we are evolving into "adult discussions " lol , seems more effective than the "bickering/name calling" imoI am elated to read actual adult intelligent discussion where opposing parties do not resort to throwing personal insults even attacking family members.
Absolutely classy guys, impressive.
UGL products have undergone comprehensive testing before for structural impurities, metals, endotoxin, sterility, residual solvents before? Can you point me in the right direction to review those results?It’s been done before, everything is cyclical.
Trust is still vital!
Trust? Are we talking about drug dealers and black market or are we not? You kidding man?Trust is still vital! FUD erodes it. That’s my “take” on this matter. Hopefully this brings closure
Trust? Are we talking about drug dealers and black market or are we not? You kidding man?
Yeah, I'd never order from someone I didn't trust on the transactional and basic decency level.Trust? Are we talking about drug dealers and black market or are we not? You kidding man?
Yeah, I'd never order from someone I didn't trust on the transactional and basic decency level.
The myth of "trustless" transactions makes me chuckle a bit, actually.
Tangentially, I just received a NapsGear promo in my messages on another board.
Basically all that it takes is this very forum, and tuning in discerningly. It just helps to have a well-refined BS filter.I don't know if you mainly use pharma but, if not, how did you go about deciding which ugl to use?
Recommendation, reputation?
Have you ever used products that seemed underdosed, or that contained solvents that did not agree with you?
Obviously, you are very clued up about everything to do with anabolics.
I am curious as to how someone as cultured and involved in this environment as you are navigates the decision making process in relation to purchasing substances for their personal use.
Heavy metal testing has been done not sure about the other stuff. I keep saying I don’t know what the other tests have been so I hope for a summary post with everything self-contained to refer back to since I won’t be camping-out in this thread. Unfortunately I don’t have bookmarks to old testing handy for you but I have linked here at least twice to jano’s quote and post on Reddit about having done this testing several times and it has never detected any heavy metals of significance. You can use the Advanced Search feature to search my posts for metals as a keyword I bet, if you’d likeUGL products have undergone comprehensive testing before for structural impurities, metals, endotoxin, sterility, residual solvents before? Can you point me in the right direction to review those results?
Also, what would you consider an acceptable length of time that should pass in between these "cyclical" efforts at more comprehensive quality testing? I imagine indefinitely might be your answer, given the disdainful vibe of your post.
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some stuff is useful, some isnt. its the intention of the message he is deliveringI've read countless threads, with incredibly nuanced information, from readalot
I'm a little confused.some stuff is useful, some isnt. its the intention of the message he is delivering
-Doesnt use UGL gear
-Pushes for additional testing despite never planning to use UGL products. I just feel like he does this here cause he has no where else to go and wants to stir shit up.
-Constantly references people to look at his threads like he is some sort of guru
Now as @Type-IIx said. his crusade is over. what the hell is he gonna do here now?
I am all for testing, but what is his purpose?
He is the last person I would ever assume is embarrassed about anything he does. Especially those results.Assuming he comes back, but maybe he’d be embarrassed — if not for the results then because of whatever it is that led to the ban
After one vendor gives in, the others will too and if they don't then certain people will ask for it in every page.You guys think the vendors or customers care about these tests enough to throw away their inventory or stash?
What if it can help in symptom relief for chronic conditions?I highly doubt people here will throw away their gear because of these tests lol, maybe if someone can show them immediate symptoms or illness caused by these heavy metals or endotoxins.
What would you do?What would you guys do with your steroids you currently hoarded? Get every compound tested? Get rid of it? Ask for refunds?