Readalots Enhanced Testing

[Type-IIx]

We're at a crossroads of Chicken Little and:

"I can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take a butcher's word for it."

 

[Type-IIx]

I communicate with him via email daily!! He is certainly on his way back...

OK cool

 

[Type-IIx]

The problem with this argument is if the butcher fucks you over, his business is done (at best, he goes to work for the corporate meat slicer down the road).

Our butcher fucks us over - we are blissfully unaware - and they just open up as "ABCDEFu USA dome-stiK pharma" again next month. (And I guess they don't exactly owe it us to have our health in mind in this trade).

I understand your sentiment but the analogy fails on all levels (and no, I'm truly not trying to be confrontational on that... I respect there are two valid sides to this argument/discussion).

Trust is still vital! FUD erodes it. That’s my “take” on this matter. Hopefully this brings closure

 

[bigMoJo]

The problem with this argument is if the butcher fucks you over, his business is done (at best, he goes to work for the corporate meat slicer down the road).

Our butcher fucks us over - we are blissfully unaware - and they just open up as "ABCDEFu USA dome-stiK pharma" again next month. (And I guess they don't exactly owe it us to have our health in mind in this trade).

I understand your sentiment but the analogy fails on all levels (and no, I'm truly not trying to be confrontational on that... I respect there are two valid sides to this argument/discussion).

Good take. Not taken negatively at all. You may not know, but I'm in the "more testing" camp. I was comparing—possibly not in the best of analogies—pretty much the sides of the debate. You go ahead and keep speaking your mind, it never hurts to hear constructive input.

 

[DECLAN]

I am elated to read actual adult intelligent discussion where opposing parties do not resort to throwing personal insults even attacking family members.

Absolutely classy guys, impressive.

 

[Ateam2023]

I am elated to read actual adult intelligent discussion where opposing parties do not resort to throwing personal insults even attacking family members.

Absolutely classy guys, impressive.

we are evolving into "adult discussions " lol , seems more effective than the "bickering/name calling" imo

 

[FunkOdyssey]

It’s been done before, everything is cyclical.

UGL products have undergone comprehensive testing before for structural impurities, metals, endotoxin, sterility, residual solvents before? Can you point me in the right direction to review those results?

Also, what would you consider an acceptable length of time that should pass in between these "cyclical" efforts at more comprehensive quality testing? I imagine indefinitely might be your answer, given the disdainful vibe of your post.

Trust is still vital!

 

[Sampei]

Trust is still vital! FUD erodes it. That’s my “take” on this matter. Hopefully this brings closure

Trust? Are we talking about drug dealers and black market or are we not? You kidding man?

 

[egruberman]

Trust? Are we talking about drug dealers and black market or are we not? You kidding man?

You can trust that they will act in their best interests. If their best interests are aligned with your needs, then that's optimal.

For me, that means that I deal with people for whom the profit incentive of fucking me over is much, much lower than the cost of losing a bunch of business from having done so.

There is enough testing from most of the big vendors that a serious issue would get detected and would harm their business.

 

[Type-IIx]

Trust? Are we talking about drug dealers and black market or are we not? You kidding man?

Yeah, I'd never order from someone I didn't trust on the transactional and basic decency level.

The myth of "trustless" transactions makes me chuckle a bit, actually.

Tangentially, I just received a NapsGear promo in my messages on another board.

 

[iris]

Yeah, I'd never order from someone I didn't trust on the transactional and basic decency level.

The myth of "trustless" transactions makes me chuckle a bit, actually.

Tangentially, I just received a NapsGear promo in my messages on another board.

I don't know if you mainly use pharma but, if not, how did you go about deciding which ugl to use?
Recommendation, reputation?
Have you ever used products that seemed underdosed, or that contained solvents that did not agree with you?

Obviously, you are very clued up about everything to do with anabolics.
I am curious as to how someone as cultured and involved in this environment as you are navigates the decision making process in relation to purchasing substances for their personal use.

 

[Type-IIx]

I don't know if you mainly use pharma but, if not, how did you go about deciding which ugl to use?
Recommendation, reputation?
Have you ever used products that seemed underdosed, or that contained solvents that did not agree with you?

Obviously, you are very clued up about everything to do with anabolics.
I am curious as to how someone as cultured and involved in this environment as you are navigates the decision making process in relation to purchasing substances for their personal use.

Basically all that it takes is this very forum, and tuning in discerningly. It just helps to have a well-refined BS filter.

So recommendation and reputation — but indispensably — RECENT feedback. Don’t come back after a break and not do your due diligence.

I’ve never had any experience of underdosing. I handle guaiacol really well, so no issues with any solvent ever.

I did get test flu and crippling PIP my very first foray into gear with Abdi Ibrahim Organon or whatever it was, from Pakistan, but I think that’s just virgin muscle.

 

[Type-IIx]

UGL products have undergone comprehensive testing before for structural impurities, metals, endotoxin, sterility, residual solvents before? Can you point me in the right direction to review those results?

Also, what would you consider an acceptable length of time that should pass in between these "cyclical" efforts at more comprehensive quality testing? I imagine indefinitely might be your answer, given the disdainful vibe of your post.



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Heavy metal testing has been done not sure about the other stuff. I keep saying I don’t know what the other tests have been so I hope for a summary post with everything self-contained to refer back to since I won’t be camping-out in this thread. Unfortunately I don’t have bookmarks to old testing handy for you but I have linked here at least twice to jano’s quote and post on Reddit about having done this testing several times and it has never detected any heavy metals of significance. You can use the Advanced Search feature to search my posts for metals as a keyword I bet, if you’d like

 

[Type-IIx]

In case anyone needed a listing like I did of the tests ordered, @Dirthand was cool enough to list those for me:

1 HPLC Purity
2 GCMS
3 Expanded heavy metals test (none detected see Janoshik Analytical — Test Report: Task Number # 50702 Analysis conducted 2024-10-24])
4 Endotoxin
5 Residual Solvent poor man's test (KF + Loss on drying) [it’s actually 5 rather than 6]

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

I've read countless threads, with incredibly nuanced information, from readalot

some stuff is useful, some isnt. its the intention of the message he is delivering

-Doesnt use UGL gear
-Pushes for additional testing despite never planning to use UGL products. I just feel like he does this here cause he has no where else to go and wants to stir shit up.
-Constantly references people to look at his threads like he is some sort of guru

Now as @Type-IIx said. his crusade is over. what the hell is he gonna do here now?

I am all for testing, but what is his purpose?

 

[bigMoJo]

Yeesh bro! I think this more accurately represents what you just did to me and/or readalot...

 

[RandallFlagg]

some stuff is useful, some isnt. its the intention of the message he is delivering

-Doesnt use UGL gear
-Pushes for additional testing despite never planning to use UGL products. I just feel like he does this here cause he has no where else to go and wants to stir shit up.
-Constantly references people to look at his threads like he is some sort of guru

Now as @Type-IIx said. his crusade is over. what the hell is he gonna do here now?

I am all for testing, but what is his purpose?

I'm a little confused.

1.) How is the crusade over? He listed 6 criteria...likely in hopes of advancing 1. Wasn't the original source of this gear Dirthand? (Or am I making that part up??) I doubt that will speak to the quality of all gear.

20 years ago I would love to know what the reaction would be to suggesting HPLC testing of gear.

I don't think the goal of the crusade was to test once (though I suppose cost will make it prohibitive for a one-nation army).

2.) He never said he would never use UGL gear. (At least my interpretation was if he found some that tested to true pharma grade levels, he would possibly consider it one day)

I don't know him and can't speak for him... I don't even know if we'd agree in real life.

I have to assume this all relates somehow to something in his life...I wasn't around for the first go-round of Readalot but it does seem like he has stayed fairly on point with his questions and requests.

I just don't see the negative of getting a source to either a.) acknowledge the request and say "hell no." ...and then eliminate the "pharma grade" claims as well. b.) test and prove.

I agree not all 6 tests are necessary...but so far there is almost zero data aside from the heavy metal testing that Jano already predicted would be negative.

3.) shit stirring? I dunno...sometimes it's ok to just let an internet grudge go and imagine the person you're interacting with could be your boss, neighbor, pastor, ex wife....wife's boyfriend (well, maybe that's where we all jump to, anyway)...lol

 

[Excel.exe]

Assuming he comes back, but maybe he’d be embarrassed — if not for the results then because of whatever it is that led to the ban

He is the last person I would ever assume is embarrassed about anything he does. Especially those results.

I see 3 outcomes
1. He manages to get every single product tested of one vendor and the results are good then vendor gets to move up the tier ladder. This will result in prices being increased.
2. Even if one test result fails the vendor will be forced to produce newer batches that pass the results
3. He tries to get every single product tested of every vendor at the same and he is asked to get a life.

With the first outcome, other vendors will be asked to get their products tested.
With the second outcome, other vendors will be asked to get their products tested and he gets to claim the "I told you so".
With the third outcome, he gets to claim the "I knew this would happen".

It is a win-win situation for him. The first outcome will be severely affecting group of people like me who only buy during promos.

 

[DECLAN]

You guys think the vendors or customers care about these tests enough to throw away their inventory or stash?

I highly doubt people here will throw away their gear because of these tests lol, maybe if someone can show them immediate symptoms or illness caused by these heavy metals or endotoxins.

What would you guys do with your steroids you currently hoarded? Get every compound tested? Get rid of it? Ask for refunds?

 

[Excel.exe]

You guys think the vendors or customers care about these tests enough to throw away their inventory or stash?

After one vendor gives in, the others will too and if they don't then certain people will ask for it in every page.

I highly doubt people here will throw away their gear because of these tests lol, maybe if someone can show them immediate symptoms or illness caused by these heavy metals or endotoxins.

What if it can help in symptom relief for chronic conditions?

What would you guys do with your steroids you currently hoarded? Get every compound tested? Get rid of it? Ask for refunds?

What would you do?