Readalots Enhanced Testing

[Ghoul]

It's a symbiotic relationship.

Readalot posts, his haters troll.

If they really thought it was "spam" the whiners would hit the ignore button and never suffer from his "spam" again.

But they won't do that.

Deep down they're Meso's "old women", making sure to always have something to bitch about.

 

[Zebedee]

When I see the pressure equally applied to all vendors in the same constant and belligerent manner, for instance a very well respected Stanford, I will ignore my personal feelings about the "mouthpiece" of the project and be more supportive.

I have not seen anyone blowing up Stanford , and also calling his customer pieces of shit for "cockriding" him. The majority of the hate seems to be directed to one subset of the vendor community.

I use him as an example, because he is very well respected here, deservedly so.

Stan’s taken plenty of shit in the past, before you joined:

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Thread 'Stanford Pharma aka SP = Meso Member Xkawn'

Aug 31, 2020

36 things I learned about SP/Xkawn after reading xkawn's posting history.

1. No vetting on his entrance
No equipment pics or processes
2. Member turned source posing as a long time nationwide vendor but in reality very shortly before posting was asking how to bottle top filter oils. Asked how to sterilize vials and stoppers just before posting 1st SP thread. Didn't know what a pipette dispenser is. Didn't know what a buchner set up is for filtering. Didn't own a magnetic stir/hot plate a few months before sourcing.
3. Rode in on a wave of shills you will recognize as all friends of xkawn...

• Rapier
• Replies: 763
• Forum: Steroid Underground

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One of the reason he’s taken less shit since then is that community standards dropped so low with the influx of certain vendors & a big shift in membership demographics, meaning there are more obvious (priority) targets.

Eg I’ve criticised Stan in the past for a single case of a floater - which fanbois dived on me for - BUT that one single floater incident pails into insignificance when you have other vendors selling batches that you’d be lucky to find a single vial that didn’t have a floater in it!

Note I’m not saying that it’s ever been a level playing field with regards to sources being criticised / held to account - you’re right there - Meso never has been & I’ve said this numerous times. Eg at one bit TripleB was the source to attack at the expense of practically all others & for the same practices those other vendors also employed.

 

[Zebedee]

It's a symbiotic relationship.

Readalot posts, his haters troll.

If they really thought it was "spam" the whiners would hit the ignore button and never suffer from his "spam" again.

But they won't do that.

Deep down they're Meso's "old women", making sure to always have something to bitch about.

Yeah, agree with you here.

 

[readalot]

It's a symbiotic relationship.

Readalot posts, his haters troll.

uhhhh, what's my benefit?

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

It's a symbiotic relationship.

Readalot posts, his haters troll.

If they really thought it was "spam" the whiners would hit the ignore button and never suffer from his "spam" again.

But they won't do that.

Deep down they're Meso's "old women", making sure to always have something to bitch about.

All-knowing Mr. Ghoul, we still see the responses to him and his thumbs down. Not quite as painful to deal with as his normal rants, but still irritating.

I hope my response to you does not offend you in any way, shape or form. If so, I want to apologize.

Thanks,

"Old Woman"

 

[narta]

Got it.

Suggestion:

Since this forum is first and foremost dedicated to HARM REDUCTION and NOT a source board, as you have repeatedly stated, it will save a lot of time and hassle for everyone, if you make Enhanced Testing MANDATORY for all sources, old and new alike. It will be inline with the forum ideology as a HARM REDUCTION forum. A grace period of say 2 months to comply and BAM you have all this noise die down, and a satisfied community.

Two birds with one stone.

What say you?

@readalot what's your take on this? Genuinely interested.

 

[readalot]

Yesterday

Unless the ultimate end goal is exactly that: drive vendor threads to the gutter in order to promote certain "E.T. approved" sources like P.M. has its "Guaranteed Sponsor" tag and other boards. Hell, make some mods that shit on anyone that dare to question anything on the "E.T. approved" sources thread and we end up like every other board out there.

My response in good faith...

I would never support this and Millard has specifically warned me about this morphing into a marketing gimmick. I agree with you here we don't want to end up right back in a bizarro PM world where thou must kiss the ring. But I did have to push to get another option daylighted. We will see if others will now put in the work and $$ to grow it and refine the requirements/standards.

Your response to that:

That is textbook offtopic, self masturbatory, spam..

Today

I am out and I suggest you follow. readalot can login log out and continue this conversation with himself

Suggestion:

Since this forum is first and foremost dedicated to HARM REDUCTION and NOT a source board, as you have repeatedly stated, it will save a lot of time and hassle for everyone, if you make Enhanced Testing MANDATORY for all sources, old and new alike. It will be inline with the forum ideology as a HARM REDUCTION forum. A grace period of say 2 months to comply and BAM you have all this noise die down, and a satisfied community.

Two birds with one stone.

What say you?

@readalot what's your take on this? Genuinely interested.

My answer was not clear yesterday? You commented on it.

My take: should NOT be mandatory. Presented with options (options they can purchase now), folks will get to choose.

Contrary to your claim, I'm not here to hear myself talk in textbook, self masturbatory spam. The ball is now rolling and those that want other options have the opportunity to step up. If not, I've already given my oath to stop engaging on vendor threads with requests for "ET". I had a goal and I achieved version 1. If no response then I won't ignore that feedback.

 

[readalot]

@readalot Have you considered making a consolidated list of all the manufacturers that have complied thus far? I know you've posted something similar in the past. This is just a suggestion, but I would also add a separate list of manufacturers who refuse to perform enhanced testing, potentially a list of *maybes*. Two (or three) simple lists, those in compliance with listed tests they've done, and those who refuse to perform ET. Once you've made contact with a seller and they refuse, leave the thread alone and let them continue their "business". I think this is where most people have issues.

While you know I agree with your message, I genuinely don't think every interaction directed towards you warrants a response. This goes both ways though, as your detractors needn't respond to every single message of yours either.

The enhanced testing database is posted and accurate to date. See my other comments addressing any future "spam" in my recent posts.

Appreciate the comments and feedback. You've been consistent and appreciate you taking the time.

 

[narta]

My take: should NOT be mandatory. Presented with options (options they can purchase now), folks will get to choose.

So, since folks get to choose and you have sources that have chosen NOT to participate in the ET option and stated that firmly and clear, shouldn't those sources be left alone so they become the non ET segment, so members have the option to choose them?

Because it's getting a little confusing for me.

 

[readalot]

So, since folks get to choose and you have sources that have chosen NOT to participate in the ET option and stated that firmly and clear, shouldn't those sources be left alone so they become the non ET segment, so members have the option to choose them?

Because it's getting a little confusing for me.

Correct. At this point (now that options are available to support) I'll be ceasing requests to vendors who have already declined "ET".

If a reasonable subset of the MESO membership won't patronize/support the other options and further refine the standards as a community, what I am doing here?

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

Stan’s taken plenty of shit in the past, before you joined:

R

Thread 'Stanford Pharma aka SP = Meso Member Xkawn'

Aug 31, 2020

36 things I learned about SP/Xkawn after reading xkawn's posting history.

1. No vetting on his entrance
No equipment pics or processes
2. Member turned source posing as a long time nationwide vendor but in reality very shortly before posting was asking how to bottle top filter oils. Asked how to sterilize vials and stoppers just before posting 1st SP thread. Didn't know what a pipette dispenser is. Didn't know what a buchner set up is for filtering. Didn't own a magnetic stir/hot plate a few months before sourcing.
3. Rode in on a wave of shills you will recognize as all friends of xkawn...

• Rapier
• Replies: 763
• Forum: Steroid Underground

• 

One of the reason he’s taken less shit since then is that community standards dropped so low with the influx of certain vendors & a big shift in membership demographics, meaning there are more obvious (priority) targets.

Eg I’ve criticised Stan in the past for a single case of a floater - which fanbois dived on me for - BUT that one single floater incident pails into insignificance when you have other vendors selling batches that you’d be lucky to find a single vial that didn’t have a floater in it!

Note I’m not saying that it’s ever been a level playing field with regards to sources being criticised / held to account - you’re right there - Meso never has been & I’ve said this numerous times. Eg at one bit TripleB was the source to attack at the expense of practically all others & for the same practices those other vendors also employed.

Looks like people have memory loss......

 

[readalot]

Simple solution, but no one is able to do it.

Answer my question!

What reasonable alternative sources exist?

No answer?

Then enlighten me with your reasonable alternative sources.

Competition will be one of the best influences for change, but no one is able to identify reasonably similar competitors who are on the leading edge of harm reduction.

So, Matrix is a reasonable source

When I see the pressure equally applied to all vendors in the same constant and belligerent manner, for instance a very well respected Stanford, I will ignore my personal feelings about the "mouthpiece" of the project and be more supportive

Man you have a new excuse every month. Get on with it. Ask vendors to properly test their raws and properly test their products. Why does the manufacturing location of the raws matter? We have the tools to better characterize the raws before they go into finished oils. Ask for customer testing credit for GCMS on the finished oils to audit vendor testing. Do I need to draw the feedback loops between customer, vendor and raws suppliers? Leverage the vendors to effect change and put pressure on the raws suppliers by having vendors support blind customer testing credit for GCMS.

What are you waiting for?

In the coming days I'm going to ask members to assist on acquiring a reference standard for an -ene impurity so we figure out if this is properly resolved by HPLC. Are you going to help? Are you helpless?

 

[Zebedee]

Looks like people have memory loss......

Oh definitely, but at the same time you have to take into account that many currently active members joined long after that thread died.

There’s mention of both that thread itself & the issues discussed in it within Stan’s current thread (he’s had several), but it’s been naturally buried since then by time.

In Stan’s defence however, one thing that’s not buried in his thread(s) is a variety of T&C’s that justifies him stealing a customer’s payment & telling them to go fuck themselves for breaking a “rule” they had no idea existed, unlike Tracy, for example. There’s a bloody good reason why no one’s ever called Stan a scammer, unlike Tracy, for example.

That’s another reason why some have a problem with Tracy specifically.

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

Oh definitely, but at the same time you have to take into account that many currently active members joined long after that thread died.

There’s mention of both that thread itself & the issues discussed in it within Stan’s current thread (he’s had several), but it’s been naturally buried since then by time.

In Stan’s defence however, one thing that’s not buried in his thread(s) is a variety of T&C’s that justifies him stealing a customer’s payment & telling them to go fuck themselves for breaking a “rule” they had no idea existed, unlike Tracy, for example. There’s a bloody good reason why no one’s ever called Stan a scammer, unlike Tracy, for example.

That’s another reason why some have a problem with Tracy specifically.

Interesting information. It will be interesting if anyone tries to level the playing field.

I appreciate you! Thanks.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Oh definitely, but at the same time you have to take into account that many currently active members joined long after that thread died.

There’s mention of both that thread itself & the issues discussed in it within Stan’s current thread (he’s had several), but it’s been naturally buried since then by time.

In Stan’s defence however, one thing that’s not buried in his thread(s) is a variety of T&C’s that justifies him stealing a customer’s payment & telling them to go fuck themselves for breaking a “rule” they had no idea existed, unlike Tracy, for example. There’s a bloody good reason why no one’s ever called Stan a scammer, unlike Tracy, for example.

That’s another reason why some have a problem with Tracy specifically.

T and c?

 

[Liter O' Test]

Looks like people have memory loss......

When I see the pressure equally applied to all vendors in the same constant and belligerent manner, for instance a very well respected Stanford, I will ignore my personal feelings about the "mouthpiece" of the project and be more supportive.

I have not seen anyone blowing up Stanford , and also calling his customer pieces of shit for "cockriding" him. The majority of the hate seems to be directed to one subset of the vendor community.

I use him as an example, because he is very well respected here, deservedly so.

We want more testing of things we inject into our body because they come from a country that has a decades long reputation for poor quality.

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

We want more testing of things we inject into our body because they come from a country that has a decades long reputation for poor quality.

Do you not understand that virtually all raws used by UGL US vendors come from the exact same place?

Pfizer, who is a large AAS raw and API manufacturer in the US, does not sell to UGL and never will.

Once again, please give me the name of a reasonably similar alternative source who complies with the "enhanced" expectations. I will immediately direct my spending there and help support this project by using my wallet.

You can DM me if you prefer, if you want to keep the source confidential.

 

[keenpen]

Once again, please give me the name of a reasonably similar alternative source who complies with the "enhanced" expectations. I will immediately direct my spending there and help support this project by using my wallet.

Matrix from SST has a premium line of test C. Go support him and the idea that enhanced testing is worth something to you like you say.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Matrix from SST has a premium line of test C. Go support him and the idea that enhanced testing is worth something to you like you say.

Let's see who from QSC to that

 

[Zebedee]

T and c?

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