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USCballin said:
As always, it's best to get product form a UGL in the very beginning when they pay close attention to their filtering and dose their product carefully...until business gets good, they get busy, and then they start to slack and cut corners. Can we all agree with this?
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Thats a good theory unless they're shit bag scammers from the start. It seems to be pretty tricky.
 
USCballin said:
As always, it's best to get product form a UGL in the very beginning when they pay close attention to their filtering and dose their product carefully...until business gets good, they get busy, and then they start to slack and cut corners. Can we all agree with this?
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Its really individually based since each new source can have a multitude of differing issues. You really just never know when dealing with a new source which is why I would never purchase from a startup. There have been instances though where getting in early was beneficial but then again you have instances where it's shit from the jump.
 
USCballin said:
As always, it's best to get product form a UGL in the very beginning when they pay close attention to their filtering and dose their product carefully...until business gets good, they get busy, and then they start to slack and cut corners. Can we all agree with this?
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Not really. UGLs use untested raws and many of them don't produce their goods in a halfway sterile environment.

Therefore, they can be shit right out of the gate.

Established UGLs on the other hand, yes.
Some get too big, too fast and fizzle out because they get greedy.

Sadly though, unless you're willing to be a test monkey and take one for the team, you'll never know if thier first few batches were their best until others have tried them out and post positive results, thus making them established.

All in all, it's a crap shoot.
The way i see it, find a good one, ride it till it fall's apart.
 
Les said:
Thats a good theory unless they're shit bag scammers from the start. It seems to be pretty tricky.
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If they're shitbaggers from the start, and someone is asinine enough to order from them anyways....well....you get what you pay for my friend.
 
MisterSuperGod said:
Not really. UGLs use untested raws and many of them don't produce their goods in a halfway sterile environment.

Therefore, they can be shit right out of the gate.

Established UGLs on the other hand, yes.
Some get too big, too fast and fizzle out because they get greedy.

Sadly though, unless you're willing to be a test monkey and take one for the team, you'll never know if thier first few batches were their best until others have tried them out and post positive results, thus making them established.

All in all, it's a crap shoot.
The way i see it, find a good one, ride it till it fall's apart.
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Pretty well-said. For the most part, we really just have to be intelligent, logical, and realistic about what we're dealing with here. I mean, UGs pop up all over the place all the time...some under diff names than the ones they screwed others from previously. They're not sponsored, certified medical labs. They're gearheads that want to make a few bucks while the the Junior members are there to take the plunge and be the test monkeys for everyone else.

For example, how as TSL been working out for everyone that last few months? There's a reason I ask this.
 
USCballin said:
If they're shitbaggers from the start, and someone is asinine enough to order from them anyways....well....you get what you pay for my friend.
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Ok but based on your initial statement of ordering while they're new how do you know if they're shitbaggers without someone taking the plunge? There's no surefire way to this shit. It's a risk if they're new or established.

So to answer your initial question. No were no all in agreement.
 
Les said:
Ok but based on your initial statement of ordering while they're new how do you know if they're shitbaggers without someone taking the plunge? There's no surefire way to this shit. It's a risk if they're new or established.

So to answer your initial question. No were no all in agreement.
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Simple...let someone else take the plunge.
 
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