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That's why I said 4-6 so yeah now maybe 6-8 weeks.also seen 2-4 weeks after last pin which was yesterday 7/27/16 and I'll wait 2 weeks then run some nolva for 4 weeks.and I should be able to just jump right back on a cycle right?
 
That's kinda what I thought I had seen you mention before. What's the point in PCT if you plan to jump right back on afterwards? Usually what I've seen reccomended is time on/including PCT = time off. So 10 weeks on + 2-4 weeks before starting PCT + 4 week PCT = 16-18 weeks off.

Disclaimer; I have no personal experience with this, just a lot of reading. Plus I'm on TRT so it's not really a concern of mine. I am positive if I'm off I will be corrected and rightfully so.
I've included my Pct as time off. Not sure if that's ideal. But I have got my blood done to make sure I was back to my prebloods levels before I jumped back on the horse. But I've only completed two cycles. On my third now. I'm still a noob
 
@ Rodger rabbit I have older posts where I was directed in the wrong direction by a "friend' and he had no knowledge of taking bloods and I only found out when I started researching and found this forum.started reading and said oh Shit!so I was already on cycle when I heard about bloods.
 
That's why I said 4-6 so yeah now maybe 6-8 weeks.also seen 2-4 weeks after last pin which was yesterday 7/27/16 and I'll wait 2 weeks then run some nolva for 4 weeks.and I should be able to just jump right back on a cycle right?
Pct beginning time depends on what AAS and esters you are using. You my have already said what your running idk.
 
Didn't even know about pct.lol I ask that same person. About bloods and pct and he didn't have a single response!so I stopped dealing with him of course.so after my pct. I will do the right steps before I run gear again and ittl all be on atlas gear since I keep my word
 
That's why I said 4-6 so yeah now maybe 6-8 weeks.also seen 2-4 weeks after last pin which was yesterday 7/27/16 and I'll wait 2 weeks then run some nolva for 4 weeks.and I should be able to just jump right back on a cycle right?

If your blood levels are back to pre cycle then it sounds like you will be good to go.

But, let's say example you are using deca, the parent compound might be out of your system, but the remainder of deca can stay in your system for up to a year. That is why deca can be a pain for some during pct.

If you are using a prop then the system could clear faster. For example, test prop.

This is why you should get pre cycle bloods done, then post cycle bloods done. That's how you know and stay safe my man[emoji1303][emoji1303]


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Was running test p 100 and tren a 100 to see how my body would react and was all good so rest of cycle was sus 250 and tren 200.ran the sus at 700 a week and tren at 400 a week.stopped the tren at 8 weeks and just stopped sus yesterday.then tren sweats and shortage of breath was killing me for a moment.
 
And this was my first cycle.had no issues with puffy or swollen or painful nipples.no shrinkage of the sack.mybsex drive went up and gained noticeable size.but I do know a lot of it doesn't mean Shit without pre mid and after bloods.I want to do my remaning cycles the right way.thanks to Meso that's what I'll be doing
 
And this was my first cycle.had no issues with puffy or swollen or painful nipples.no shrinkage of the sack.mybsex drive went up and gained noticeable size.but I do know a lot of it doesn't mean Shit without pre mid and after bloods.I want to do my remaning cycles the right way.thanks to Meso that's what I'll be doing

In my opinion mid cycle bloods don't mean anything. Pre and post are the important ones.


Edit: unless you are just checking to see if your gear is doing its thing.

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Just wanted to post on here that grademan came through for me and helped me get something I couldn't find. I cant say anything about atlas labs products because I've never tried any but grademan is a good dude in my book to go out of his way to help a brother out.
 
In my opinion mid cycle bloods don't mean anything. Pre and post are the important ones.


Edit: unless you are just checking to see if your gear is doing its thing.

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Actually until you are experienced enough to know your own body and how it reacts, mid cycle bloods are quite helpful. One thing it will show you is whether or not you need an ai or possibly adjust it up or down. Years of experience later probably isn't all that important but I think for non experienced people it is quite useful.
 
Actually until you are experienced enough to know your own body and how it reacts, mid cycle bloods are quite helpful. One thing it will show you is whether or not you need an ai or possibly adjust it up or down. Years of experience later probably isn't all that important but I think for non experienced people it is quite useful.

According to @drjim the e2 number is just a number. Unless you are experiencing symptoms then the e2 number doesn't mean anything.

Also high estrogen is beneficial in bodybuilding strength size etc come from this.

Itchy nipples etc is a clear sign that a ai could be needed. But being on a "bloat cycle" and getting some water retention isn't necessarily a sign to start taking a ai. IMO.


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According to @drjim the e2 number is just a number. Unless you are experiencing symptoms then the e2 number doesn't mean anything.

Also high estrogen is beneficial in bodybuilding strength size etc come from this.

Itchy nipples etc is a clear sign that a ai could be needed. But being on a "bloat cycle" and getting some water retention isn't necessarily a sign to start taking a ai. IMO.


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Again, early on I find getting bloods mid cycle helps you understand how your body reacts to the compounds you are running. Perhaps you prefer guessing, I personally would not if I was a beginner. I don't personally do mid cycle bloods anymore but I did for a few years and I wouldn't discourage anyone from doing so.
 
Again, early on I find getting bloods mid cycle helps you understand how your body reacts to the compounds you are running. Perhaps you prefer guessing, I personally would not if I was a beginner. I don't personally do mid cycle bloods anymore but I did for a few years and I wouldn't discourage anyone from doing so.

I'm not discouraging anyone. Just stating the facts. If someone wants to go get bloods by all means do it. There is more to bloods than just e2. Cholesterol etc. we both agree that those are valuable information and if one feels the need to check early on to know what supps do what to the individuals body, then for sure do it.

But people need to understand it is not he most important thing to do. Pre cycle and post cycle are where it's at.


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Brothers, I apologize for not getting mid cycle bloods. I had debit card fraud a few weeks back and had to substitute Atlas test with some other test I had on hand for a couple weeks.
 
Brothers, I apologize for not getting mid cycle bloods. I had debit card fraud a few weeks back and had to substitute Atlas test with some other test I had on hand for a couple weeks.

Although you don't have any blood to show. Did you feel like it was on point?


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That's kinda what I thought I had seen you mention before. What's the point in PCT if you plan to jump right back on afterwards? Usually what I've seen reccomended is time on/including PCT = time off. So 10 weeks on + 2-4 weeks before starting PCT + 4 week PCT = 16-18 weeks off.

Disclaimer; I have no personal experience with this, just a lot of reading. Plus I'm on TRT so it's not really a concern of mine. I am positive if I'm off I will be corrected and rightfully so.

I do know @Eman & @CdnGuy were just discussing this the other day. Maybe they can assist.
@Bakersbound follow this^
 
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