Really need help: total estrogen is 800

[Eman]

When I have a flare up I take letro 2.5 ml every 4 days tell the gyno clears then stop taking it

I'm fortunate I just haven't had to deal with it... I've run dbol without an AI and no issues.

This last cycle I did get a little puffy sometimes but I was kinda asking for it. I do run an AI... I can just be a little lazy about it.

 

[Docd187123]

@Docd187123 knows what it's called

This VVVV

LC/MS testing... estridol sensitive.

(If memory serves me correct)

 

[Eman]

@Docd187123 knows what it's called

I can never remember which is which...

 

[fit2beking]

When I have a flare up I take letro 2.5 ml every 4 days tell the gyno clears then stop taking it

When you have done this in the past how did it impact your libido?

 

[CherryChillin]

This is my first post and I am a little late asking for help now but here it goes I've been blasting and cruising for quite a while and have had gyno from a prohormone cycle a long time ago ignoring this for quite some time but now I'm suffering from the other high estrogen side effects like libido problems and a little bloat and of course a little bit of puffiness around the nipple area..maybe over emotional during different situations..my gyno never led to leakage or lactation or pain even during my winter deca cycle. I wanna lower my estro then maintain it. Adex then nolva? I appriciate the help guys.

Hmmmm

 

[wedorecover]

When you have done this in the past how did it impact your libido?

It did hurt me but @Ryno1980 it fucked his

 

[wedorecover]

When you have done this in the past how did it impact your libido?

I still had ok sex drive I'm sure @Ryno1980 will shade light on what it did to him we had the same letro to so I think it affects people differently

 

[Little Ant]

I never have used tren or any orals except DMZ ph a couple times at half dose. I know i was young and stupid when i got the gyno I didnt know what it was at the time man. Smh

Wow. Did you not do any research before injecting foreign substances in your body? There is people that know more about this than me that can probably give you some advice but always use something to keep your estrogen in check especially if you have preexisting gyno.

 

[Little Ant]

Estrogen is at 800 off cycle? You running tren Atm?

No tren ever bro. Just on test dropped deca 2 weeks ago.

 

[Little Ant]

Edit your face outta the pic dude for safety. GL & keep an eye on your levels.

Thanks bro i appriciate that man.

 

[Little Ant]

^ Do not do this.

What compounds are you taking?

I dropped my deca which was 300mg for 16 weeks. Still on test at 600mg a week. Not sure if i stay there and get estrogen under control or lower test then do it ..im trying to.learn

 

[Johnny442]

I believe the deca will show false readings like tren, is that right @Docd187123

 

[Eman]

I dropped my deca which was 300mg for 16 weeks. Still on test at 600mg a week. Not sure if i stay there and get estrogen under control or lower test then do it ..im trying to.learn

The deca is giving your estro a false reading.

 

[Little Ant]

The deca is giving your estro a false reading.

Okay but its a tell tale sign i should be on a a.i with even just test alone becuase i have gyno symptoms...? Or a serm at the least idk so a 19nor will throw it off..i go back.in 10weeks for another test...

 

[Eman]

Okay but its a tell tale sign i should be on a a.i with even just test alone becuase i have gyno symptoms

Gyno symptoms are the sign you need an AI, not your false E2 reading.

Just take a moderate AI dose... Some adex or aromasin.

 

[johnnydoe]

Okay but its a tell tale sign i should be on a a.i with even just test alone becuase i have gyno symptoms...? Or a serm at the least idk so a 19nor will throw it off..i go back.in 10weeks for another test...

Im no expert but I would always use an AI if I were you since you have preexisting gyno. I use it just in case to be safe and reduce the chance of me getting gyno. .5mg Adex EOD has worked for me. You probably are getting a false reading from the test but I would get the right test done and see where you stand then deffinatly do something about it. No doubt your e is high if you're having those symptoms but it can't be that high. I would try lowering my e with Adex or aromasin. I wouldn't crash it. I would keep all the stuff you need for gyno on hand in case you have a flare up also. Ive never used 19nors before but some of these guys can tell you what all you need to keep on hand just in case of problems.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Code: 30289N Estradiol, Ultrasensitive, LC/MS/MS (30289X)

https://www.labcorp.com/wps/portal/!ut/p/c1/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os_hACzO_QCM_IwMLXyM3AyNjMycDU2dXQwN3M6B8JG55AwMCuv088nNT9QtyI8oBPK_DWA!!/dl2/d1/L0lDU0NTQ1FvS1VRIS9JSFJBQUlnb0FNeUtibTZtL1lCSkp3NDU0a3N1eWx3ISEvN19VRTRTMUk5MzBPR1MyMElTM080TjJONjY4MC92aWV3VGVzdA!!/?testId=408440&criterion=Estradiol%2C+Sensitive

"The use of a sensitive, LC/MS assay for serum E2 measurement in males is preferred over direct immunoassays because of its greater sensitivity and lesser interference by other steroids.28 In males, estradiol is present at low concentrations in blood, but it is extraordinarily high in semen.4 Estradiol plays an important role in epididymal function and sperm maturation and is essential for normal spermatogenesis and sperm motility.4

Gynecomastia refers to a syndrome of abnormal feminization with swelling of the breast tissue in boys or men, caused by an imbalance of the hormones estrogen and testosterone.29 Gynecomastia is common during puberty in boys and can be seen in older males due to increased estrogen level-related obesity (increase aromatase activity), decreased hepatic clearance, estrogen ingestion, and estrogen producing tumors. Asymptomatic gynecomastia is common in older men, but individuals who present with gynecomastia of recent onset associated with pain and tenderness may require clinical workup.29 Gynecomastia and other signs of male feminization may be caused by an absolute increase in E2 and/or E1. The testes may directly secrete too much estradiol due to a Leydif-cell or Sertoli-cell tumor. They may also secrete estradiol indirectly through the stimulatory effects of a human chorionic gonadotropin-secreting tumor of gonadal or extragonadal germ-cell origin.29

Alternatively, men with normal estrogen levels can develop gynecomastia, if testosterone levels are low due to primary/secondary testicular failure, resulting in an abnormally elevated estrogen-to-androgen ratio. Feminization may also occur in men treated with antiandrogen therapy or drugs with antiandrogenic effects (eg, spironolactone, digitalis). Conversely, individuals with elevated androgen levels will often exhibit gynecomastia caused by aromatase catalyzed estrogen production.

Estrogens (and androgens) play an important role in the normal physiology of the skeleton in both sexes.4 Males with diminished estrogen levels due to congenital aromatase deficiency or insensitivity to estrogens due to estrogen receptor deficiency have a characteristic phenotype with regard to bone development.4,25,30 These males exhibit significant increased overall height due to lack of estrogen-induced epiphyseal closure.25 The importance of estradiol in bone health is further supported by the fact that estradiol levels correlate better with bone mineral density than do testosterone levels in aging men.25 The Endocrine Society has recently reported that low estradiol levels are associated with increased fracture risk and accelerated bone loss in older men.3"

 

[Docd187123]

I believe the deca will show false readings like tren, is that right @Docd187123

Yes, deca can skew estradiol readings if they're not done via LC/MS

 

[wedorecover]

No tren ever bro. Just on test dropped deca 2 weeks ago.

I believe deca will give you a false reading also any nor 19 you need to ask @Docd187123 what the right blood test is

 

[fit2beking]

I still had ok sex drive I'm sure @Ryno1980 will shade light on what it did to him we had the same letro to so I think it affects people differently

Thanks bro!