that's what happens when you watch too much MPMD and think 300mg of test pw for 12 weeks is all you need to get huge and freaky
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
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klokke23
Guest
You've got to remember 500 mg test is the ONLY cycle they will recommend for a newbie. No exceptions. They claim they've "gone through the science" thoroughly to land at that number. Because apparantely 500 mg carries the same risks and side effects as 300. So might as well do 500..
You can see these arguments in every single daily thread I swear
The-Optimist
Subscriber
Reddit is full of kids who hang on every word MPMD says. They're insufferable.
lukiss96
Member
More like too many use 500mg and still dyel status.
SonhoDourado
Member
I was on sports TRT for the last 9 years..averaging 200mg week. Lowest i would go was 150 for a few weeks to see if it affected strength and body composition. Highest was 250mg, that felt the best of course yet i really had to watch my diet as i could tack on lbs pretty fast if i got sloppy.
I could go low carb, keto, carnivore, low protein, high protein..it didn't matter. I stayed full and strong pretty much all the time. Sleep wise i could get away with 4-5 hours a night and still train in the morning and work a 12 hr day. As one of the posters above mentioned:Having a sustained and constant release of testosterone in your body makes a TREMENDOUS difference.
Im now in week 4 of PCT/Fertility protocol and i can tell first hand how night and day difference natty and enhanced is. They literally have no idea of just how transformative 200mg a week of test can be!
I could go low carb, keto, carnivore, low protein, high protein..it didn't matter. I stayed full and strong pretty much all the time. Sleep wise i could get away with 4-5 hours a night and still train in the morning and work a 12 hr day. As one of the posters above mentioned:Having a sustained and constant release of testosterone in your body makes a TREMENDOUS difference.
Im now in week 4 of PCT/Fertility protocol and i can tell first hand how night and day difference natty and enhanced is. They literally have no idea of just how transformative 200mg a week of test can be!
Deezznutzz
Member
Well these reddit people are wrong. 200 a week trt for a year changed me a lot and no change to exercise or diet the first year. I was doing heavy lifts 3x a week pre trt and kept it going the first year on trt. 3x a week was all my over 40 body could handle without being extremely sore. Well then I realized on trt I could handle 5 days a week workouts.Recovery improved a lot.
Rido
Subscriber
I would be wondering what your baseline though was.
GuerillaPete
Member
If for whatever reason it only brings your levels up to 800 than it is.
There are people like that but they are the exception for sure .
Deezznutzz
Member
Before trt? 399. I had been keeping an eye on it for 5 years... it had tested 499 once and I was still feeling crappy. Within that 5 years I was doing everything to increase it naturally but it was still steadily going downward. First I was seeing no progress in the gym and diet was good. I was getting in plenty of protein and cholesterol to support the conversion to testosterone. I even tried some of those testosterone boosters and took labs and all it did was raise my liver enzymes LOL. What broke the final straw was my libido took a hit one year. I've always been a very sexual person and I was not going to play with that. So I jumped on trt and everything's been good to go since then.
Rido
Subscriber
yea. then the studies would definitely be null/void.
I am sure you seen that me and my wife are swingers... well my libido was dying out... Natural Test as 460... so.....
Now I am shooting up test/ mast/ and nandrolone.
I wonder wtf redditors are doing that often their results from multiple cycles of test (ofc always 500mg dosed...., no orals ofc because they think they are so much worse) and still end up worse than a natty.
Pantera
Member
A lot of young fellas on Reddit, so r/steroids probably attracts that younger crowd that is looking for a quick fix. That said, there are some monsters on that board and some good advice there.
At the end of the day, for the vast majority of us, this shit isn't that complicated and focus should primarily be on training + food rather than drugs.
InjuredGorilla
Member
I am actually prescribed TRT so my levels were way low before, but let me tell something on a sorry ass 85mg per week, my test levels jumped to 900ish after two months I was already 15kg heavier and still lean it was crazy shit, best gains of my life
OmL
Member
Ah yes.. Reddit.. me, like many, followed their advice and my first cycle was 500mg of testosterone for 20 weeks.
Chuck Spears
New Member
That copypasta is talking about natty and and/or TRT that puts you within the normal range.
In other words if Natty Bob has test level 400, Natty Pedro has test level of 600 and TRT Jimmy is taking a dose that puts him within the normal range at say 800, the difference in measurable benefit is fuck all.
Its like the difference between doing a cycle of 500mg vs 550mg.
Absolutely no difference.
So if someone has a natty T level of say 500 and starts doing "test boost" meme shit to get him to 800 he's not going to turn in the the "high test Chad" that these 4channers are always jerking off about.
In fact "Chad" may have a lower natty T level than some ugly incel loser who plays video games all day.
In other words if Natty Bob has test level 400, Natty Pedro has test level of 600 and TRT Jimmy is taking a dose that puts him within the normal range at say 800, the difference in measurable benefit is fuck all.
Its like the difference between doing a cycle of 500mg vs 550mg.
Absolutely no difference.
So if someone has a natty T level of say 500 and starts doing "test boost" meme shit to get him to 800 he's not going to turn in the the "high test Chad" that these 4channers are always jerking off about.
In fact "Chad" may have a lower natty T level than some ugly incel loser who plays video games all day.
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klokke23
Guest
You're forgetting that natty levels are "unstable". While trt give stable test levels.
And BicepBandito is saying "within normal range". Which is a pretty big range. 300 natty vs 800 trt?
MPMD directly contradicts what you see on Reddit, though. For example, I've seen posters reference his videos to prove TRT > natty for gains.
Reddit is a fucking joke on every single forum. I don't know why anyone goes there for anything at all.
One thing to keep in mind about TRT vs natty, it isn't just the perfectly stable testosterone levels, it's also the impact on the SHBG. You have a much higher percentage of the total testosterone actually building muscle when you're injecting exogenous test.
TRT is far greater than natty for building muscle.
lukiss96
Member
It's funny that the same people who diss MPMD have the exact same opinion on many things and actually agree with him.
Makes me think too many smartasses watch his content and then pretend to not like him, but use information gathered from his videos...
Funny enough, I didn't know who he was until I saw his videos posted here, so alot of the hate he gets here is from people who secretly watch his vids but hate on him because it's the cool thing to do, lol.
I've watched some of his videos, and I honestly haven't seen him say anything I'd massively disagree with. In fact, his opinion on 19nors seems to directly coincide with what you see here, granted, I haven't watched enough of his content to know for sure.
I will say though, he definitely contradicts the old-heads that say stupid shit like, "500mg of test first cycle, stfu and take it! Start your PCT 2 half lives after your last injection. TRT is the same as being natty. More test = more sex drive."
And when the new guys see the old-heads hate something, they do it too, just to fit in with the status quo.
