Regaining ball size

[lundgren]

I used 500 iu twice a week and mostly retained my balls while on 900mg of gear weekly.

After switching to 50mg/day of Clomid exclusively (with no exogenous test) for 6 months, my balls grew to 2x their normal size and my "natural" testosterone levels almost quadrupled. I love my balls. Not sure I'll need a cycle anymore.

Clomid, some study on big guy with only 25mg daily in 28 days stimulate a lot (i dont remember the % it's around 300 to 400%) the test endogenous.

But Clomid, as HMG drop the estradiol so it's very important to start with low dose and check the estradiol level too, because low level are not good as high level

"I love my balls" yes generally we feel great when the balls are heathly lol

When i used Deca at 200mg / week after 4 weeks my testicles look like nuts lol and hcg don't work, i need to wait Deca for 4/5 weeks and start HCG followed by HMG or Clomid depend my budget

 

[Gigantic]

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Clomid, some study on big guy with only 25mg daily in 28 days stimulate a lot (i dont remember the % it's around 300 to 400%) the test endogenous.

But Clomid, as HMG drop the estradiol so it's very important to start with low dose and check the estradiol level too, because low level are not good as high level

"I love my balls" yes generally we feel great when the balls are heathly lol

When i used Deca at 200mg / week after 4 weeks my testicles look like nuts lol and hcg don't work, i need to wait Deca for 4/5 weeks and start HCG followed by HMG or Clomid depend my budget

yep, my urologist checks my estrogen. Btw, I love high estrogen, it makes me feel great, and I don’t get bitch tits or high bp.

 

[Gigantic]

And mr. Fortune Wheeler strikes again. Who will be the next lucky beneficiary of his dubious advice? Stay tuned and find out!

@Chris U. "Normal" hcg dose is 250 IU eod. People follow that dosing regime as it's the dose that's been proven to bring up ITT levels up to around baseline. The alternative dosing schedule is 500 IU's 2 x week and there are arguments why this is potentially a better option.

This is the study that's seldom cited: Low-Dose Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Maintains Intratesticular Testosterone in Normal Men with Testosterone-Induced Gonadotropin Suppression Anybody who's half read upon "aas literature" knows of this study.

500 IU eod will be too much for most, bringing in hard to control E2 sides and also in some individuals might stimulate excess adrenal steroid production.

However, hcg has some quality issues and you might find yourself with a half bunk product. In those cases you'd want to increase the dosage. But also keep in mind that compounds being run also effect your testes function.

Just don't listen to mr. Fortune Wheeler there, he doesn't have any idea what he's talking about.

Interesting research. I only did 2x a week because I was lazy… lmao

 

[Jin23]

Interesting research. I only did 2x a week because I was lazy… lmao

Sure, some people prefer such a protocol and it does keep the testes alive.

And I'd just like to add, regarding the dosage thing; 250iu is more or less the forum standard, however, some people do more then that and it works for them. Nothing wrong with that. There are a lot of factors to consider here; from drug response, which includes genetics and the actual structural composition of the Hcg (the alpha to beta isomer ratio), but also the quality of the product and the actual IU content of the vial.

 

[PeterBond]

You must be the greatest idiot around here. I get medical advice of my Endo.
Even in the latest Harlem study shows 250iu EOD is to low for users. More clinics of TRT advice it for fertility TRT & Fertility - Microdosing Testosterone & HCG - The Men's Health Clinic
Also not to forget the dose Pharma Grade and uGL use !!

The Harlem study was done on roid users. Member @PeterBond was also involved

We actually prescribe 260 IU EOD as an initial dosage for spermatogenesis maintenance in otherwise eugonadal men.

(In case you wonder why the odd dose of 260 IU: it's one 'click' on the Ovitrelle pens we prescribe)

I was not directly involved in the HAARLEM study. However, I'm a researcher on the successor of this study, namely, the HARNAS trial. Over the next few months we'll be finished with the men of the HARNAS trial (again, 100 subjects). We're also recruiting 30 women, with which we'll be the first prospective trial in which health measurements are done in AAS-using women afaik. (Outside of medical indications, obviously.)

 

[Cyp180]

We actually prescribe 260 IU EOD as an initial dosage for spermatogenesis maintenance in otherwise eugonadal men.

(In case you wonder why the odd dose of 260 IU: it's one 'click' on the Ovitrelle pens we prescribe)

I was not directly involved in the HAARLEM study. However, I'm a researcher on the successor of this study, namely, the HARNAS trial. Over the next few months we'll be finished with the men of the HARNAS trial (again, 100 subjects). We're also recruiting 30 women, with which we'll be the first prospective trial in which health measurements are done in AAS-using women afaik. (Outside of medical indications, obviously.)

Is this the same on TRT and Blast dose of testosterone ?
The person here is on a higher TRT dose than regular. I recently saw a Dr. Smit say during a blast of 1500iu each week. (postcast on youtube)

 

[y777]

I’ve seen guys either use HCG alongside TRT (ie forever ) or as PCT after getting off gear , to stimulate natty test production.

Does anyone cycle HCG? for example run it one or two cycles a year during cruises to bring ball size back then backing off ?

Don’t care about fertility (have kids ) but wouldn’t mind doing some ball growth protocols and backing off. Don’t want to add yet another compound I have to inject forever , every week.

I’m on TRT so when off cycle just plan to cruise or run TRT test + low dose primo. Not coming off exogenous test.

Thanks.