Religion, science, or both... Where do you stand?

[Biggerarms22]

Long term Aitheist here! But I'm starting to believe that religion must explain what scientific research cant.

I ask you all the question no matter what you believe, how do you explain the universe? Beyond just biblically...

What came before the big bang? If there wasn't indeed a big bang, and instead an alternate theory presented by Hawking, like the universe having no beginning were true, than how do you explain the causation for that?

 

[Mighty-mouse]

I’m a believer and in my opinion to actually understand the universe you will have to be able to see the 4th dimension. We are just to simple minded to actually understand the vastness of space. It is always expanding and we can only see the “known universe”.

I like watching videos on that stuff when I’m drinking.

I do belive there is intelligent life somewhere else out there just to big not to be. I mean there are around 1 sextillion stars in the known universe (don’t know how they came up with that prob a telescopic estimate). They figure around 10 billion or so galaxies who knows how many planets.

I believe there is a creator of this. And I don’t push my views on anybody and respect everyone’s opinion on how they view religiously or not.

But this is a great time passing topic for sure and once you get trapped in that you tube search it last for days if space is any topic you like.

 

[Biggerarms22]

I’m a believer and in my opinion to actually understand the universe you will have to be able to see the 4th dimension. We are just to simple minded to actually understand the vastness of space. It is always expanding and we can only see the “known universe”.

I like watching videos on that stuff when I’m drinking.

I do belive there is intelligent life somewhere else out there just to big not to be. I mean there are around 1 sextillion stars in the known universe (don’t know how they came up with that prob a telescopic estimate). They figure around 10 billion or so galaxies who knows how many planets.

I believe there is a creator of this. And I don’t push my views on anybody and respect everyone’s opinion on how they view religiously or not.

But this is a great time passing topic for sure and once you get trapped in that you tube search it last for days if space is any topic you like.

So you do believe there is a creator of this. Any idea who or what that creator is?

 

[RGL90]

Science tries to explain logic in something that wasnt meant to be logical , a god is not logical but I believe in one that knows me by name , just because it’s not logical doesn’t mean it’s not there

 

[Villain]

No one can explain what caused the Big Bang. They try to rationalize it away that there couldn’t possibly be an all eternal being who is self existent with no beginning and no end, yet find it easier to believe somehow, somewhere in the existence of nothing, something sparked. It’s even funnier to believe that they can believe in an always existing universe without considering that something or someone eternal created that.

 

[RGL90]

Yes scientist with there egomaniac minds are just too smart to not be able to figure out the answer themselves, so they creat the most logical for us and us being the sheep follow . As Maynard James Keenan sayd it best, ( THINK FOR YOUR SELF, QUESTION AUTHORITY)

 

[Biggerarms22]

Yes scientist with there egomaniac minds are just too smart to not be able to figure out the answer themselves, so they creat the most logical for us and us being the sheep follow . As Maynard James Keenan sayd it best, ( THINK FOR YOUR SELF, QUESTION AUTHORITY)

This would also imply to question the church, and its teachings. It goes both ways. Some would argue to mindlessly follow religion without questioning or understanding everything is the ultimate example of being a sheep.

 

[maxx the dogg]

I ask you all the question no matter what you believe, how do you explain the universe?

A few excerpts from a couple different articles,
Quote, "Quantum mechanics tells us that "nothing" is inherently unstable, so the initial leap from nothing to something may have been inevitable. Then the resulting tiny bubble of space-time could have burgeoned into a massive, busy universe, thanks to inflation."
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Quantum mechanics tells us that there is no such thing as empty space. Even the most perfect vacuum is actually filled by a roiling cloud of particles and antiparticles, which flare into existence and almost instantaneously fade back into nothingness.

These so-called virtual particles don't last long enough to be observed directly, but we know they exist by their effects."
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One thing they have found is that, when quantum theory is applied to space at the smallest possible scale, space itself becomes unstable. Rather than remaining perfectly smooth and continuous, space and time destabilize, churning and frothing into a foam of space-time bubbles.

In other words, little bubbles of space and time can form spontaneously. "If space and time are quantized, they can fluctuate," says https://physics.asu.edu/people/faculty/lawrence-krauss at Arizona State University in Tempe. "So you can create virtual space-times just as you can create virtual particles."

What's more, if it's possible for these bubbles to form, you can guarantee that they will. "In quantum physics, if something is not forbidden, it necessarily happens with some non-zero probability," says Alexander Vilenkin of Tufts University in Boston, Massachusetts."

 

[Villain]

Quote, "Quantum mechanics tells us that "nothing" is inherently unstable, so the initial leap from nothing to something may have been inevitable. Then the resulting tiny bubble of space-time could have burgeoned into a massive, busy universe, thanks to inflation."

We’ve been told forever in math that anything times 0 is 0. So if math is universal, then it still stands that nothing plus nothing equals nothing. There are no exceptions to the rules.

 

[maxx the dogg]

I added a couple more excerpts...read those and it explains. Plus, we're talking quantum mechanics, not math.

 

[maxx the dogg]

Why is there something rather than nothing?

 

[Villain]

“Nothing” is inherently unstable

 

[maxx the dogg]

Certainly you are not implying that you are smarter than some of the most intelligent minds on the planet.

 

[Villain]

Certainly you are not implying that you are smarter than some of the most intelligent minds on the planet.

What I’m implying is that people of any level of intelligence can sniff out bullshit when they see it while “the most intelligent minds on the planet” can use big talk to make up anything they want. Suddenly, nothingness has properties... then logically speaking, it ceases to be “nothingness” at that point.

 

[maxx the dogg]

These are proven theories they are talking about...not guesses.

 

[Mighty-mouse]

So you do believe there is a creator of this. Any idea who or what that creator is?

Yea I do. I believe in god. I don’t try to wrap my head around what god looks like or what he may be.

 

[Villain]

These are proven theories they are talking about...not guesses.

Do you even see what you wrote? Proven theories. It would no longer be a theory then, but fact, which it’s not.

 

[Eman]

Science.

As I grow older, I embrace atheism more and more... And apparently, I'm not the only one. Statistics show that atheism is on the rise. Additionally, agnosticism is on the rise as well. I venture to guess that in a hundred years, believers will be in the minority.

 

[maxx the dogg]

"....according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, a hypothesis is an idea that hasn't been proven yet. If enough evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, it moves to the next step — known as a theory — in the scientific method and becomes accepted as a valid explanation of a phenomenon."
But you're right, I should have not said theory, I should have said fact, which it is.

 

[Villain]

"....according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, a hypothesis is an idea that hasn't been proven yet. If enough evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, it moves to the next step — known as a theory — in the scientific method and becomes accepted as a valid explanation of a phenomenon."
But you're right, I should have not said theory, I should have said fact, which it is.

Fact, funny. The onus is on you then to show proof that “nothingness is very unstable.”