I am aware of what it's built on, I grew up in the church and am wholly familiar with it's teachings. I don't have any need for the comfort that a higher being provides those with faith, but I respect that there are those that do need that comfort.
MESO-Rx
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Religion, science, or both... Where do you stand?
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I am aware of what it's built on, I grew up in the church and am wholly familiar with it's teachings. I don't have any need for the comfort that a higher being provides those with faith, but I respect that there are those that do need that comfort.
RGL90
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You must have that silver platter / spoon life . I respect that as well , take it easy bro
4Figgy
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I believe it will, but I would never claim to know exactly what will happen.
And you just did it again.....Anyone who claims to know exactly what will happen is lying to themselves. As a Christian I have faith that the world will end according to the Bible, but I would never claim to know that it will.
There is plenty of evidence for the existence for God, but it’s apparent that you either haven’t looked into it, or you have and still refuse to believe it because of you have too much “faith” in science.
It’s funny how faith plays a roll in both religion and science. As an atheist you have to have faith that there is no God, and that everything can/will be explained through science and science alone.
Finally, as a believer I don’t have to prove to you that God exists. God reveals himself to those who honestly seek him out. It is actually up to atheists to prove God doesn’t exist. The ontological argument is a perfect example of this.
I believe only what I can prove to myself. I can't speak for anyone else, or prove to anyone else, but I have proven to myself that I have free will. Physics cannot explain free will. It even violates the second law of thermodynamics as well as the law of conservation of energy.
So science is missing something in this universe, something very big. I hypothesize that something is a thinking creator, though it doesn't have to be. I was raised a Christian, and though I abandoned it for many years, I eventually returned to the fold.
It is not faith in god, however, that brought me back, but disillusionment with the state. If there is one thing the believers in fake science on the political left have shown me is that morally and culturally speaking, the state makes for a terrible god. Christianity, with all it's faults, makes a far better moral anchor than the state ever will.
So science is missing something in this universe, something very big. I hypothesize that something is a thinking creator, though it doesn't have to be. I was raised a Christian, and though I abandoned it for many years, I eventually returned to the fold.
It is not faith in god, however, that brought me back, but disillusionment with the state. If there is one thing the believers in fake science on the political left have shown me is that morally and culturally speaking, the state makes for a terrible god. Christianity, with all it's faults, makes a far better moral anchor than the state ever will.
4Figgy
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Here’s some quotes from Berlinski’s book:
The Devil’s Delusion: Atheism and It’s Scientific Pretensions
The Devil’s Delusion: Atheism and It’s Scientific Pretensions
Uglyrichie
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We are in some kids ant farm, prove me wrong . we would be gods ant farm in religion and as far as what's out there it's all a guess we honestly don't know
Logan44551
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I was just telling my kids about my micro macro theory. Which is that we are just atoms in a bigger organism of some kind. If you look at things microscopically they always get smaller and smaller. Why wouldn't the reverse be true, bigger things should be the same. That's why we see no end in the universe and are an unlimited amount if other galaxies and stars. That's my theory anyhow, not sure where God fits in with all of it.
Mighty-mouse
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I have thought about that too. Like we are parts of a bigger “thing”...... man this thread going to have me drunk you tubing in about a hour or so
I never said I know how it will happen? I just said that neither of us can say it will include a deity that is unprovable.
There is absolutely zero concrete evidence for the existence of God.
False. I don't need to have faith that everything can be explained through science alone, why would that be true? I also have don't have to have faith that there isn't a God, that's absurd. Not believing in a God isn't the same as hoping there isn't one.
I didn't ask you to prove anything to me... Not that you could. No one can prove a negative, that is also a fallacy. But, apparently proving the existence of God is a fallacy too since it's based in faith... Which is why I can't really ask anyone to prove it to me either. Religious arguments are most often a stalemate, I didn't come to the thread to argue why I believe what I believe or defend what I believe... I just came to post my personal beliefs.
4Figgy
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Atheism is the belief that there is no God. If there is no God then all that is left is naturalism. Naturalism is only explicable through science and science alone. This is true because if something other than science (creator) can be used to explain the natural world around you then naturalism is not true.
Having faith in God is not the same as hoping there is a God. Faith is trusting in what you believe to be true. It a applicable to both religion and science.
Philosophical arguments can be made for the existence of a creator, but I understand what you mean.
4Figgy
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Dr William Lane Craig, Ravi Zacharias, and John Lennox. You’re welcome
The bible is such BS. Its ridiculous. It was litterally created to get individuals to follow one leader.
The church was made to make money. They are all hippocrits.
that said, the church does teach some good morals that are healthy for people to learn. But then the church also takes advantage of these morals they teach people. Its brainwashing.
there is no “god” as that is a man made term. When animals romed the earth there was no god. They were going off of instinct and enviornment.
There is some clear form of “conscious” each person has which cant be explained. This conscious is being manipulated through others and these days media. This concious was manipulated by the church.
so what i do believe in is energy. Energy is what moves and creates everything that we know of today. It gets passed on to others, energy can create or destroy. Take a humans energy away someone dies, give energy to an human one can be created.
Unless people are calling this energy god. Then i guess thats true. But to me energy is not god, but something that is used. Also something that science has a little more insight on then religon.
to me people who preach about religon and god, always seem a little crazy. Its kind of sad how much the church brainwashes people.
The church was made to make money. They are all hippocrits.
that said, the church does teach some good morals that are healthy for people to learn. But then the church also takes advantage of these morals they teach people. Its brainwashing.
there is no “god” as that is a man made term. When animals romed the earth there was no god. They were going off of instinct and enviornment.
There is some clear form of “conscious” each person has which cant be explained. This conscious is being manipulated through others and these days media. This concious was manipulated by the church.
so what i do believe in is energy. Energy is what moves and creates everything that we know of today. It gets passed on to others, energy can create or destroy. Take a humans energy away someone dies, give energy to an human one can be created.
Unless people are calling this energy god. Then i guess thats true. But to me energy is not god, but something that is used. Also something that science has a little more insight on then religon.
to me people who preach about religon and god, always seem a little crazy. Its kind of sad how much the church brainwashes people.
notdeadYET
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I believe in religion when im feeling righteous.
I believe in science when I try to justify my sins.
Reality is I do believe, and I have faith that God is there.
I believe in science when I try to justify my sins.
Reality is I do believe, and I have faith that God is there.
I disagree.
Science isn't even remotely close to explaining human behavior. There is no usable scientific or math model of human behavior, and probably never will be.
Pseudo-science, I mean soft science, I mean psychology is at the equivalent medical stage of blood letting. They find politically acceptable results using politically motivated grants, and base it all on statistical studies with too many variables and too few subjects. The last time anyone examined the results of those studies in-mass, 70% of those studies couldn't be repeated with similar results.
Free will, however, if it exists, explains human behavior perfectly. Value is subjective, and humans act with a purpose. Free will granted by a creator, God in this case, is as good a model of human behavior as Newton's law of gravity is of an apple falling from a tree.
I don't see how you're linking free will to proof of God unless you're just using it as an example, but even then, I don't see how this constitutes as concrete evidence of anything. There isn't concrete evidence of the existence of free will for starters... But if there were, I would very much hesitate to call it a mathematically perfect model for human behavior and an omniscient creator. I would go so far as to say it almost proves the opposite...
Uglyrichie
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Will free will exist in 10 plus years they have these algorithms down and are only going to get better where you see only things they think you like. Look at China's scoring system where your not allowed to do certain things due to a social score
Uglyrichie
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Let's dive into some of the conspiracy world. What if you can't get a job if your not vaccinated where is the free will. This has been talked about by more than conspiracy theorists
I didn't call it a mathematically perfect model, I said it was as good a model of human behavior as Newton's Law of Gravity is of an apple falling from a tree. Newton's law of gravity isn't mathematically perfect either, though I assumed you already knew that.
Human behavior can't be explained by science, can't be predicted except under very specific and extreme conditions. However, it can be explained by free will, though not predicted except as a subjective - in effect, only you know what you are going to do.
I also didn't say anything about proof of god. I replied to your concrete evidence of statement. The inability of science to explain or model human behavior is concrete evidence, not proof, of free will. Free will is concrete evidence of something that violates numerous scientific laws and theories. I call that concrete evidence of a creator, or in this case God.
4Figgy
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The free will is you can choose to get the vaccine or not get it. Free will does exist and anyone claiming it doesn’t isn’t living in reality.
The argument is similar to those to claim that there are no truths, or they have their own truths. Those who do have jumped head first into the world of absurdity.
