Reporting trolls

Millard

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I don't know which is worse. The 100+ posts from some troll? Or the 500+ posts from other members in response?

Please report them immediately. It might make you feel better to complain about them, insult them, and otherwise respond to them. But it gives them exactly the attention they want.

Report them if you want to help prevent them from cluttering the forum.

Thank you.
 
So glad you did that...
I was too scared to do it, lol.

THANK YOU!!!!!

And yes, happy New Year to the owner, who puts up with us.
And thanks for the extra patience he has shown with our rants, controversial/deleted/automoderated/automoderated then deleted/hormonal/mad messages and general daily drama.
Lol Millard puts up with alot of our shit haha.
 
How do we define "troll"? Just so I'm clear...is "asking a stupid question" considered troll-like?

1.) the 16 yr wanting to run HGH or similar...I don't consider that troll like unless it persists over multiple threads or several days.

2.) the DNP dude definitely crossed toward approaching troll but think he was legitimately wanting permission to use it...a lot of low effort questions but still not sure report-worthy.

I'm truly not trying to clutter - but curious what troll-like behavior needs to be reported. Maybe I'm too slow on the uptake to catch the troll posts throughout the day.

P.S. I swear to God if one of you fuckers reports me for trolling right now...lol (P.S. I'll try to use less F-words in 2025...I realize I over use that one...and I'm sure there are studies out there about cursing and low IQ... yikes for me)
 
How do we define "troll"? Just so I'm clear...is "asking a stupid question" considered troll-like?
That's a good question that unfortunately has no simple answer.

But no, "asking a stupid question" is not necessarily a trolling behavior. It can be if it's just the same low-effort or spam posted in multiple threads, where it's been asked and answered, and the user isn't seeking advice but trying to provoke arguments.

Quite honestly, one of the biggest problems with trolling behavior on this forum is members who troll (insult/harass/bully) newbies for asking basic questions. This should not happen.

After all, this IS a harm reduction forum -- which many people apparently don't understand OR are willing fully ignorant of what that means OR are seeking to turn it into something else. So, the goal should be to help newbies and not to attack/harass/insult.

Regrettably, many members have started assuming every newbie is a troll. It's not usually obvious in the beginning. And the more skilled the troll, the longer it takes for it to become obvious.

The default response to all newbies should be to help everyone. If they show signs of trolling after this, then simple report them rather than respond to them.

Signs that a newbie is a troll:

-- Low-effort posts with same newbie questions in multiple threads even though members have repeatedly given clear answers.

-- Even when present with clear answers to basic questions, they start provoking arguments and attempting to bait those who respond to help.

-- They persist in promoting extreme, dangerous, or risky behaviors making it clear their newbie questions were simply masquerading trolling.

-- The whole idea of newbies asking questions is that they don't know the answers and are seeking advice and guidance. If they have no interest in listening or engaging in meaningful discussion, they are most likely trolling.

If you suspect they are trolling, do not continue to respond and engage, report the post. If you do continue to engage trolls, you are becoming part of the problem.

"Don't feed the trolls!"
 
That's a good question that unfortunately has no simple answer.

But no, "asking a stupid question" is not necessarily a trolling behavior. It can be if it's just the same low-effort or spam posted in multiple threads, where it's been asked and answered, and the user isn't seeking advice but trying to provoke arguments.

Quite honestly, one of the biggest problems with trolling behavior on this forum is members who troll (insult/harass/bully) newbies for asking basic questions. This should not happen.

After all, this IS a harm reduction forum -- which many people apparently don't understand OR are willing fully ignorant of what that means OR are seeking to turn it into something else. So, the goal should be to help newbies and not to attack/harass/insult.

Regrettably, many members have started assuming every newbie is a troll. It's not usually obvious in the beginning. And the more skilled the troll, the longer it takes for it to become obvious.

The default response to all newbies should be to help everyone. If they show signs of trolling after this, then simple report them rather than respond to them.

Signs that a newbie is a troll:

-- Low-effort posts with same newbie questions in multiple threads even though members have repeatedly given clear answers.

-- Even when present with clear answers to basic questions, they start provoking arguments and attempting to bait those who respond to help.

-- They persist in promoting extreme, dangerous, or risky behaviors making it clear their newbie questions were simply masquerading trolling.

-- The whole idea of newbies asking questions is that they don't know the answers and are seeking advice and guidance. If they have no interest in listening or engaging in meaningful discussion, they are most likely trolling.

If you suspect they are trolling, do not continue to respond and engage, report the post. If you do continue to engage trolls, you are becoming part of the problem.

"Don't feed the trolls!"
The 16 years old is a troll 100%, they are all coming from those maximalist height face whatever the fuck they are called that preach that is impossible to get a woman unless you are 6.4 and with a chiseled face. I'm not joking. They preach the same shit he is saying and they are like without any hope of redemptions. They are all incels bat shit crazy. QSC telegram had 3-4 of them that were spamming the same nonsense all the time.

In my opinion they should be all banned instantly.

Harm reduction is the goal but fighting against windmills is a waste of time and energy that could be put to help ppl that really need help.
 
That's a good question that unfortunately has no simple answer.

But no, "asking a stupid question" is not necessarily a trolling behavior. It can be if it's just the same low-effort or spam posted in multiple threads, where it's been asked and answered, and the user isn't seeking advice but trying to provoke arguments.

Quite honestly, one of the biggest problems with trolling behavior on this forum is members who troll (insult/harass/bully) newbies for asking basic questions. This should not happen.

After all, this IS a harm reduction forum -- which many people apparently don't understand OR are willing fully ignorant of what that means OR are seeking to turn it into something else. So, the goal should be to help newbies and not to attack/harass/insult.

Regrettably, many members have started assuming every newbie is a troll. It's not usually obvious in the beginning. And the more skilled the troll, the longer it takes for it to become obvious.

The default response to all newbies should be to help everyone. If they show signs of trolling after this, then simple report them rather than respond to them.

Signs that a newbie is a troll:

-- Low-effort posts with same newbie questions in multiple threads even though members have repeatedly given clear answers.

-- Even when present with clear answers to basic questions, they start provoking arguments and attempting to bait those who respond to help.

-- They persist in promoting extreme, dangerous, or risky behaviors making it clear their newbie questions were simply masquerading trolling.

-- The whole idea of newbies asking questions is that they don't know the answers and are seeking advice and guidance. If they have no interest in listening or engaging in meaningful discussion, they are most likely trolling.

If you suspect they are trolling, do not continue to respond and engage, report the post. If you do continue to engage trolls, you are becoming part of the problem.

"Don't feed the trolls!"
Makes perfect sense.

The key is controlling our emotions and to stop "watching" a thread when the back and forth becomes more and more unproductive.

I do think if we took a page from Dirthand, we'd all be better off...even when he disagrees,.he states his case and then leaves room for others to disagree as well. The rare time he lost his cool, he was quick to apologize and move on.

Here's to emotional maturity and productive discussion in 2025.
 
And the more skilled the troll, the longer it takes for it to become obvious.

There are definitely some people who fit this bill.

-- Low-effort posts with same newbie questions in multiple threads even though members have repeatedly given clear answers.

Not necessarily "low effort" but people who post the same questions in multiple threads, multiple times (sometimes "high effort" like rewording it or asking it slightly differently).

I guess it's important to differentiate troll-like behavior from being annoying af.
 
There are definitely some people who fit this bill.



Not necessarily "low effort" but people who post the same questions in multiple threads, multiple times (sometimes "high effort" like rewording it or asking it slightly differently).

I guess it's important to differentiate troll-like behavior from being annoying af.
Lol...I say this in good spirit...but to clarify, are you saying Readalot is annoying AF but not a troll? I just need to know where he stands:D

But yeah, you don't have to answer. I'm sorta half 'starting shit' but also feel like it's a "jab" at him (which I think adds to the spirit of all of us quietly...or loudly...resenting one another).

I hope we can agree at this point Readalot isn't a troll. As for annoying AF, I'm sure he is at peace with two sides to that coin by now.

P.S. my apologies if I inferred the wrong troll/annoying AF /if you were genuinely just speaking in general terms. I have too much time on my hands this week apparently..lol
 
Makes perfect sense.

The key is controlling our emotions and to stop "watching" a thread when the back and forth becomes more and more unproductive.

I do think if we took a page from Dirthand, we'd all be better off...even when he disagrees,.he states his case and then leaves room for others to disagree as well. The rare time he lost his cool, he was quick to apologize and move on.

Here's to emotional maturity and productive discussion in 2025.
We should not assume the worst when New Members post basic or low-effort or even troll-like questions.

Instead assume it is an individual genuinely seeking assistance. Give them a solid, useful, helpful response. Even if they turn out to be a troll, the quality information you shared could be useful for a legitimate New Member.

If they turn out to be a troll intent on sabotaging the forum, don't keeping rewarding them with you attention.

Do not resort to trolling the trolls.

Report them and they will be swiftly dismissed by MESO admin.

Also this is a good a time as any to remind everyone that the MESO forum is intended as a harm reduction forum. Some don't really understand what harm reduction is about. Maybe MESO could do a better job at explaining.

Here is a good article with recommendations on how to respond to basic or low-effort or troll-like questions on a harm reduction forum:

How to Respond to New Members Asking Basic or Low-Effort Questions on a Harm Reduction Forum


Forums dedicated to harm reduction play a vital role in educating and supporting individuals who may be engaging in risky or potentially harmful practices. When new members join and ask basic or low-effort questions—or even questions that seem troll-like—how the community responds is critical. The goal of harm reduction is not to belittle, attack, or judge but to provide guidance that minimizes risk and encourages safer behavior over time.


Why New Members Deserve a Thoughtful Response​


  1. Assumptions Can Be Harmful
    Assuming a new member is a troll or undeserving of help because their question appears basic or low-effort is counterproductive. Not everyone has the same level of knowledge or resources, and some may genuinely not know where to start. Judging them harshly can drive them away from seeking advice altogether, potentially increasing their risk.
  2. Harm Reduction is Non-Judgmental
    At its core, harm reduction is about meeting people where they are—accepting them as they come and helping them make safer choices. This approach requires patience, understanding, and a willingness to educate without condescension or hostility.
  3. Building a Positive Community Culture
    A welcoming and supportive community encourages engagement, learning, and trust. When new members feel safe to ask questions, even if they seem "basic" or "uninformed," they are more likely to stick around and benefit from the collective wisdom of the forum.

How to Respond Effectively​


  1. Assume Good Intentions
    Unless a post is explicitly offensive or disruptive, treat it as a genuine request for help. Even if it turns out to be troll-like behavior, responding thoughtfully sets a positive example for other members and reinforces the forum’s values.
  2. Offer Guidance Without Judgment
    Instead of responding with sarcasm or insults, provide concise and constructive advice. For example:
    • Unhelpful: “Why don’t you try Googling it? Stop being lazy.”
    • Helpful: “This is a common question! Here’s a helpful resource that explains it: [Link].”
  3. Redirect to Existing Resources
    If the question has been asked many times before, kindly point the new member to relevant threads, FAQs, or resources. This approach avoids spoon-feeding while still offering assistance:
    • “Great question! We’ve discussed this topic here: [Link]. You might find it helpful to start there.”
  4. Encourage Research and Self-Education
    Gently encourage new members to do more research while remaining supportive:
    • “It’s important to learn as much as you can about [topic]. This guide has some great information to get you started: [Link]. Let us know if you have more specific questions!”
  5. Set the Tone for Civil Discourse
    If the question is phrased poorly or seems troll-like, respond with calm professionalism:
    • “Your question isn’t very clear, but I think you’re asking about [topic]. Could you provide more details so we can help better?”
  6. Dealing With Actual Trolls
    If it becomes clear that a user is trolling, avoid engaging in arguments. Report the post to moderators and let them handle the situation. Feeding trolls only detracts from the forum’s purpose.

Why This Approach Matters​


Attacking or insulting new members for their perceived ignorance or low effort is the opposite of harm reduction. It perpetuates a culture of gatekeeping and hostility that discourages people from seeking help. For those engaging in potentially risky behaviors, this could mean the difference between informed, safer practices and dangerous outcomes.


Harm reduction advocates understand that change is a gradual process. New members may start with limited knowledge or misconceptions, but with patience and guidance, they can learn to make better choices. By fostering a welcoming, non-judgmental environment, the forum fulfills its mission to educate, support, and reduce harm.




A Final Word​


Every interaction on a harm reduction forum is an opportunity to make a difference. Treat new members with the same respect and understanding you would hope to receive if you were in their position. By working together to build a positive and supportive community, we can ensure that the forum remains a valuable resource for everyone, regardless of their starting point.
 
Lol...I say this in good spirit...but to clarify, are you saying Readalot is annoying AF but not a troll? I just need to know where he stands:D

But yeah, you don't have to answer. I'm sorta half 'starting shit' but also feel like it's a "jab" at him (which I think adds to the spirit of all of us quietly...or loudly...resenting one another).

I hope we can agree at this point Readalot isn't a troll. As for annoying AF, I'm sure he is at peace with two sides to that coin by now.

P.S. my apologies if I inferred the wrong troll/annoying AF /if you were genuinely just speaking in general terms. I have too much time on my hands this week apparently..lol
Thank you for calling this out. No, I doubt you will get the courtesy of an answer. Just call it what it is...passive-aggressive bullshit.
 
Thank you for calling this out. No, I doubt you will get the courtesy of an answer. Just call it what it is...passive-aggressive bullshit.

Nothing new here brother.

"All these years I have spent in the service of mankind brought me nothing but insults and humiliation.” - Nikola Tesla's last words
 
It is a possibility that someone is just computer illiterate and has little experience with online forums. Offering advice/helping someone through text with something they have never done before can be extremely frustating for both sides. For some people something as simple as clicking a button here or there can be as foreign as reading chinese to another.
 
We should not assume the worst when New Members post basic or low-effort or even troll-like questions.

Instead assume it is an individual genuinely seeking assistance. Give them a solid, useful, helpful response. Even if they turn out to be a troll, the quality information you shared could be useful for a legitimate New Member.

If they turn out to be a troll intent on sabotaging the forum, don't keeping rewarding them with you attention.

Do not resort to trolling the trolls.

Report them and they will be swiftly dismissed by MESO admin.

Also this is a good a time as any to remind everyone that the MESO forum is intended as a harm reduction forum. Some don't really understand what harm reduction is about. Maybe MESO could do a better job at explaining.

Here is a good article with recommendations on how to respond to basic or low-effort or troll-like questions on a harm reduction forum:

How to Respond to New Members Asking Basic or Low-Effort Questions on a Harm Reduction Forum


Forums dedicated to harm reduction play a vital role in educating and supporting individuals who may be engaging in risky or potentially harmful practices. When new members join and ask basic or low-effort questions—or even questions that seem troll-like—how the community responds is critical. The goal of harm reduction is not to belittle, attack, or judge but to provide guidance that minimizes risk and encourages safer behavior over time.


Why New Members Deserve a Thoughtful Response​


  1. Assumptions Can Be Harmful
    Assuming a new member is a troll or undeserving of help because their question appears basic or low-effort is counterproductive. Not everyone has the same level of knowledge or resources, and some may genuinely not know where to start. Judging them harshly can drive them away from seeking advice altogether, potentially increasing their risk.
  2. Harm Reduction is Non-Judgmental
    At its core, harm reduction is about meeting people where they are—accepting them as they come and helping them make safer choices. This approach requires patience, understanding, and a willingness to educate without condescension or hostility.
  3. Building a Positive Community Culture
    A welcoming and supportive community encourages engagement, learning, and trust. When new members feel safe to ask questions, even if they seem "basic" or "uninformed," they are more likely to stick around and benefit from the collective wisdom of the forum.

How to Respond Effectively​


  1. Assume Good Intentions
    Unless a post is explicitly offensive or disruptive, treat it as a genuine request for help. Even if it turns out to be troll-like behavior, responding thoughtfully sets a positive example for other members and reinforces the forum’s values.
  2. Offer Guidance Without Judgment
    Instead of responding with sarcasm or insults, provide concise and constructive advice. For example:
    • Unhelpful: “Why don’t you try Googling it? Stop being lazy.”
    • Helpful: “This is a common question! Here’s a helpful resource that explains it: [Link].”
  3. Redirect to Existing Resources
    If the question has been asked many times before, kindly point the new member to relevant threads, FAQs, or resources. This approach avoids spoon-feeding while still offering assistance:
    • “Great question! We’ve discussed this topic here: [Link]. You might find it helpful to start there.”
  4. Encourage Research and Self-Education
    Gently encourage new members to do more research while remaining supportive:
    • “It’s important to learn as much as you can about [topic]. This guide has some great information to get you started: [Link]. Let us know if you have more specific questions!”
  5. Set the Tone for Civil Discourse
    If the question is phrased poorly or seems troll-like, respond with calm professionalism:
    • “Your question isn’t very clear, but I think you’re asking about [topic]. Could you provide more details so we can help better?”
  6. Dealing With Actual Trolls
    If it becomes clear that a user is trolling, avoid engaging in arguments. Report the post to moderators and let them handle the situation. Feeding trolls only detracts from the forum’s purpose.

Why This Approach Matters​


Attacking or insulting new members for their perceived ignorance or low effort is the opposite of harm reduction. It perpetuates a culture of gatekeeping and hostility that discourages people from seeking help. For those engaging in potentially risky behaviors, this could mean the difference between informed, safer practices and dangerous outcomes.


Harm reduction advocates understand that change is a gradual process. New members may start with limited knowledge or misconceptions, but with patience and guidance, they can learn to make better choices. By fostering a welcoming, non-judgmental environment, the forum fulfills its mission to educate, support, and reduce harm.




A Final Word​


Every interaction on a harm reduction forum is an opportunity to make a difference. Treat new members with the same respect and understanding you would hope to receive if you were in their position. By working together to build a positive and supportive community, we can ensure that the forum remains a valuable resource for everyone, regardless of their starting point.

Wow, I need to bookmark this post.
 
Thank you for calling this out. No, I doubt you will get the courtesy of an answer. Just call it what it is...passive-aggressive bullshit.
Hey brother - I feel like we be making progress if you're elevated from troll to annoying AF (or is that just a skilled troll?...lol).

Maybe I take too many downers (Melatonin is a real bitch....) but I see a path forward for everyone to reconcile and peacefully disagree (except for me and my wife....nah, that ain't working...lol).

Keep the fire you lit fucking burning!
 
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