Research wanted on long term supression Nandrolone

[Kralteramon]

Hi guys,

I hope y'all are doing great. I'm planning to start B&C this year (35M) with plenty of years under my belt and ambitions to do one or two shows in 3 years time from now. I've done two cycles in the past year with good results. Lifts are maxed out for my genetics or close to.

Now, I'm planning to start adding Deca/Nand to my stack this time. However I'm a bit worried about how to plan for PCT after I put the gear down for good. I'm hearing from a few months to a year to recover (because of metabolites) before starting PCT.

I'm looking for science papers if any exist on the topic, anything scientific. I've seen a few graphs on forums about LH and Test coming back up after 8 months but I can't seem to find them anymore. Can we collaboratively settle this debate once and for all?

 

[Georgetrenson]

Do not take Nandrolone if you're not blasting and cruising, just stick to test.

On that same token, I'd say not to take steroids if you're not willing to blast and cruise. Almost no one does only one cycle (unless this is absolutely not for you), no point crashing your hormones w/ a PCT if you're just going to hop back on again.

 

[Kralteramon]

I don't think that you've actually read what I wrote. I will be blasting and cruising for the coming years. Eventually I would want to PCT. Anyway, it seems that barely any research exists on the subject. I'm merely trying to educate myself and others.

I found a study that finds metabolites in 50% of males present after 9 months:

Link to study

In our study of the excretion profile of nandrolone and the 19-norandrosterone (19-NA) and 19-noretiocholanolone (19-NE) metabolites after one single i.m. dose of 150 mg nandrolone decanoate (ND) to healthy volunteers we were able to demonstrate that 19-NA is detectable for 9 months in about half of the individuals.

The studies i could find talk about detectability of metabolites, not about actual HPTA supression.

I also found studies claiming that nand is toxic to the testes and Test + Sperm production. That might explain why some never recover to their old levels after years of use, trying to PCT.

I also found a study on Taurine having protective properties in rats using Nandrolone. I will be adding this to my protocol to potentially protect for some of the toxic effects on the/my testes.

Link to study

Moreover, taurine prevented nandrolone decanoate-induced testicular toxicity and DNA damage by virtue of its antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, and anti-apoptotic effects.

Any other inputs expanding on the above would be welcome.

 

[Georgetrenson]

I don't think that you've actually read what I wrote. I will be blasting and cruising for the coming years. Eventually I would want to PCT

The longer you take steroids, the harder and harder its going to be for you to recover your endocrine system.

If you’re not fully comfortable committing to trt for life, I would think real hard about whether you want to go down this road or not.

 

[Untold2101]

Nandrolone metabolites can be in you over a year later, doesn't mean they're causing you any issues either. If you don't do well with 19-Nors, I'd just stay away. I've run 500mg Deca and had no issues, others will have a pool noodle at 200mg.

But as @Georgetrenson has said, really think this out. You're 35 now, statistically, your natural levels are already sub optimal (if you're lucky), or just completely suck like most people.

5yrs from now you'll be 40, what do you think the chance of actually having even respectable levels are running solo, then add on to that years of B&C'ing? Basically none. So you're going to B&C for years, get your physique where you want it, then come totally off and watch it all waste away? That's not a maybe dude, without at least TRT, you're NOT holding on to what you did in 5yrs of B&C'ing, you're not even going to hold onto it with TRT, but you could keep an above average amount and still look better than you ever would on your own. Don't plain to fail.

 

[Kralteramon]

Food for thought. I appreciate your replies. My natural levels are 350-500 with decent free test. I really want to do a show once in my life. I understand that I will lose a lot of mass when I stop. My thinking right now is that I will accept it at that time, but I know I might get hooked.. Thanks guys, I will give it another thought. I don't want to be on TRT for life.