Retatrutide or Tirzepatide for recomp?

[thegentleman]

I recently started lifting again after taking about a year off due to an injury. I’m currently around 20–25% body fat and plan to do a cut while focusing on body recomp. Im 5'7 at 155 lbs atm.

Between retatrutide and tirzepatide, which would be more appropriate for my situation? What would be a safe starting dosage, and how should I increase it over time? For context, I also have high blood pressure and elevated hematocrit levels as of recently.

 

[Sera]

gotcha, that would be counterproductive then. Ill stick to tirz. Any other compounds good for sleep? Im currently using cannabis and it helps me fall asleep faster but the sleep quality is worse. Ive heard gh secretagogues help but they work through the ghrelin receptor which I feel like would be counterproductive as well. Also issues with insulin resistance but thats anything that affects gh.

Don’t smoke weed. It lingers in the body so you’re never really sober if you use it frequently.

 

[thegentleman]

Don’t smoke weed. It lingers in the body so you’re never really sober if you use it frequently.

thats why Im trying to find a good alternative to it. I try to do edibles instead of smoking and usually just to help with falling asleep

 

[Sera]

thats why Im trying to find a good alternative to it. I try to do edibles instead of smoking and usually just to help with falling asleep

Well if you really need something, I find selank helps at low doses. And if I really can’t sleep there are other sleep meds like zaleplon but you shouldn’t take those regularly. Ideally most nights you shouldn’t need anything.

 

[Ghoul]

gotcha, that would be counterproductive then. Ill stick to tirz. Any other compounds good for sleep? Im currently using cannabis and it helps me fall asleep faster but the sleep quality is worse. Ive heard gh secretagogues help but they work through the ghrelin receptor which I feel like would be counterproductive as well. Also issues with insulin resistance but thats anything that affects gh.

I see more reports of sleep disturbance than improvement with GH. I think reports of improvement come from the deeper breathing GH induces, but this can also unmask borderline sleep apnea.

It's better to initiate one compound at a time when troubleshooting a problem. Maybe acquire the GH, but don't start until you've had a few weeks on Tirz and stabilize.

Make that snack carb heavy. Tirz will cause an exaggerated "energy crash" that will likely help you sleep through the night.

 

[thegentleman]

I see more reports of sleep disturbance than improvement with GH. I think reports of improvement come from the deeper breathing GH induces, but this can also unmask borderline sleep apnea.

It's better to initiate one compound at a time when troubleshooting a problem. Maybe acquire the GH, but don't start until you've had a few weeks on Tirz and stabilize.

Make that snack carb heavy. Tirz will cause an exaggerated "energy crash" that will likely help you sleep through the night.

gotcha! and yeah gh was kinda a plan b if tirz wont work since its expensive as shit

 

[wells14]

You look very young and also fairly untrained. Consider trying the natural route for a while before getting on drugs. Also try to educate your self instead of asking to be spooned compounds & dosages.

 

[Ghoul]

thats why Im trying to find a good alternative to it. I try to do edibles instead of smoking and usually just to help with falling asleep

I agree (and speak from experience). Better sleep with cannabis is a trap. It does help, initially, The brain alters its chemistry after sufficient exposure, requiring cannabinoids to function properly, and sleep returns to baseline. So pot no longer actually helps, but without it, sleep quality drops even lower than where you started. The #1 reported issue people struggle with trying to quit is insomnia. It can take weeks, or a month+ of struggling through sleepless nights before the brain recovers and normal sleep function is restored

 

[hexagonal]

Don’t smoke weed. It lingers in the body so you’re never really sober if you use it frequently.

The lingering part is technically true, the sober part definitely is not.

Like many things, THC is metabolized and then you have a bunch of other stuff floating around in your body, deposited in tissue, etc. as a downstream impact. The psychoactive stuff clears out in a matter of hours. THC-COOH doesn't make you high.

For any tiny amounts of regular THC floating around, it's just not enough to make you high. Plenty of fruits have trace amounts of alcohol in them from yeast fermenting the sugars - those trace amounts end up in your bloodstream, but nobody is getting drunk on strawberries.

 

[thegentleman]

You look very young and also fairly untrained. Consider trying the natural route for a while before getting on drugs. Also try to educate your self instead of asking to be spooned compounds & dosages.

ive been off for a year, I just started lifting again a month ago. I know generally what compound I need and what dosage, I just wanted confirmation.

 

[thegentleman]

Well if you really need something, I find selank helps at low doses. And if I really can’t sleep there are other sleep meds like zaleplon but you shouldn’t take those regularly. Ideally most nights you shouldn’t need anything.

Ill try tirz before trying anything else. I think my sleep issues primarily come down to food noise when I go to bed

 

[Sera]

The lingering part is technically true, the sober part definitely is not.

Like many things, THC is metabolized and then you have a bunch of other stuff floating around in your body, deposited in tissue, etc. as a downstream impact. The psychoactive stuff clears out in a matter of hours. THC-COOH doesn't make you high.

For any tiny amounts of regular THC floating around, it's just not enough to make you high. Plenty of fruits have trace amounts of alcohol in them from yeast fermenting the sugars - those trace amounts end up in your bloodstream, but nobody is getting drunk on strawberries.

Untrue. Not to get into some argument but this is one of the reasons the weed smokers have worse memory’s. The THC is so fat soluble that it dissolves and rereleases from fat tissue in the body. You always are impaired to a degree.

I used to smoke it daily or near daily for years and it made everything more difficult.

 

[hexagonal]

Untrue. Not to get into some argument but this is one of the reasons the weed smokers have worse memory’s. The THC is so fat soluble that it dissolves and rereleases from fat tissue in the body. You always are impaired to a degree.

I used to smoke it daily or near daily for years and it made everything more difficult.

The detrimental effects of long term marijiuana use are not because you're constantly high from THC, in the same way the long term detrimental effects of alcohol are not because you're always drunk.

We have studies that show that yes, THC can be released into the bloodstream during lipolysis - in trivial quantities. Sometimes. Other times, it doesn't even create a detectable increase. But this still isn't "never sober" - you're not constantly lipolyzing significant quantities of fat. At most, if you undergo significant lipolysis you could potentially become reintoxicated, but we have no evidence of this happening in humans.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/bcpt.12235

I'm not arguing that there isn't day to day impact from regularly smoking pot. I am arguing that it has nothing to do with somehow never being sober.

 

[Flatriggerman]

Tirz hit me like a truck. Vey little appetite. Reta has been very low key for me. I can eat and still lose weight. I feel like I can control eating better as well. It's weird.

 

[thegentleman]

Tirz hit me like a truck. Vey little appetite. Reta has been very low key for me. I can eat and still lose weight. I feel like I can control eating better as well. It's weird.

different strokes for different folks ig. everyone is different. ima start with tirz first at a very low dose and see how that goes

 

[Flatriggerman]

different strokes for different folks ig. everyone is different. ima start with tirz first at a very low dose and see how that goes

I started with 2mg of Opti's tirz.

 

[Bandern]

Weed rules!!! REM sleep and having a job are for NERDS

 

[hexagonal]

Weed rules!!! REM sleep and having a job are for NERDS

You don't have to make up bullshit to point out the downsides to smoking weed, though.

We shouldn't spread falsehoods just because it aligns with our opinions or because people believing them could result in a "good outcome."

 

[Bandern]

You don't have to make up bullshit to point out the downsides to smoking weed, though.

We shouldn't spread falsehoods just because it aligns with our opinions or because people believing them could result in a "good outcome."

Sorry I can’t hear you I’m doing real man drugs (eating glue and K Mart coupons)

 

[ve79]

Valid criticism, Ive lifted for 3 years before stopping and feel like Ive lost 90% of what I had. Due to poor dietary decisions while recovering I feel pretty fat and bloated. Ive tried cutting in the last month but the food noise is pretty bad, especially at night. Its to the point where I need to load up all my calories before I go to bed to get a good nights rest. I understand taking any compounds isnt 100% safe, but from what I understand glp1s usually have low side effects besides gut issues and heart palpitations in some rare cases.

I get it man . What are your macros like? Have you tried uping lean proteins and more vegetables and cardio? Also throw in some quality probiotics. That should help you dramatically. Trust me I been there also just a few years ago I was going through some tough times and gained a ton of BF and I drowned myself in ice cream and donuts and I had very bad inflammation and terrible digestion issues but doing the things I mentioned was a God send but I'm also pushing 50 years of age but good luck to you and just stay away from those late night cravings

 

[Cage99]

No. .5- 1mg is below any established dosing via testing. The minimum dose is 2.5mg. Similarly, there are zero clinical studies showing injecting more than once a week has any additional effect. Respectfully, that is peptide broscience. There has been million$ poured into clinical trials. Not a single one of those supports what you've suggested.

KISS: Starting dose 2.5, once per week.

Seriously? That’s because these studies are for the average fat fuck or morbidly obese. They did not have any one remotely close to 10% BF or lower. My experience follows the advice I gave. If I utilized your starting dose I wouldn’t be able to get in my total caloric target macros. So definitely not bro-peptide science, just my personal experience…

Cage