RHR and correlation to PED dosages.. My Experience

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Ive been blasting again for the last 7 weeks, slowly increasing my dosages of both AAS, GH, and Insulin while monitoring my RHR through my Apple Watch. At least for me, there seems to be a direct correlation between RHR and either my dosages and/or weight (I’m up 16lbs lean mass/water); resulting in a >50% increase to my RHR.

I’m not looking for advice or anything, just thought I’d share and see if anyone else has noticed similar increases as I find it extremely interesting.

For reference, cycle is Test/Primo/Var,HGH, Slin.IMG_9323.jpeg
 
How much of it is nervous system stimulation? So when you go to a cruise is your RHR the same as the same body weight on PEDS? (As we lose size on a cruise I mean 3/4 way through the blast where body weight may be the same as on cruise)
 
How much of it is nervous system stimulation? So when you go to a cruise is your RHR the same as the same body weight on PEDS? (As we lose size on a cruise I mean 3/4 way through the blast where body weight may be the same as on cruise)
I would assume a majority of it is likely NS stimulation. And tbh, I’ve never really paid attention to it. However, when I do cruise, it’s usually with with 250mg and an RHR of 55-60.
 
I would assume a majority of it is likely NS stimulation. And tbh, I’ve never really paid attention to it. However, when I do cruise, it’s usually with with 250mg and an RHR of 55-60.
Yeah I never noticed anything until I started wearing an Apple Watch. What weight do you maintain on 250 test?
 
Yeah I never noticed anything until I started wearing an Apple Watch. What weight do you maintain on 250 test?
I took a lot of time off since my last blast, so at 250mg, I was an extremely lean 210. Currently at 230 ~8% with 16 weeks left of my total blast. Blood work just came back good barring AST/ALT levels so dropping the var. Will likely up the test, primo, NPP (which I forgot to mention I was running but it won’t let me edit) one last time before dropping the primo and NPP and transitioning to masteron/tren.
 
More mass means the heart needs to work harder one way or another to move blood to all the new tissue for one thing.
 
I noticed whenever I increased my test dose that my RHR goes up for a couple days and then eventually goes back to my baseline. My theory has been that it is the cns adapting to the higher level of androgens.
 
More mass means the heart needs to work harder one way or another to move blood to all the new tissue for one thing.

I noticed whenever I increased my test dose that my RHR goes up for a couple days and then eventually goes back to my baseline. My theory has been that it is the cns adapting to the higher level of androgens

There is alot of truth here on both ends of the spectrum. I assume it’s a combination of more mass in a short time and CNS stimulation. I’m curious what other factors might be at play…

Any higher and I’ll probably increase cardio and hop on nebivolol.
 
CNS stimulation
Vast majority of this RHR increase due to cronotropic effect of AAS. What are your dosages?


The genomic regulation of the β-AR has been associated with cardiac remodeling and heart failure [311, 312]. In this regard, it has been shown that exercise training in rats reverses β-AR dysfunction by reducing the levels of G protein-coupled receptor kinase-2 (GRK2), an enzyme implicated in β1-AR and β2-AR dysregulation in CHF [313–315]. Moreover, exercise seems to restore the adrenal GRK2/α2-AR/catecholamine production axis [313]. Also, exercise augments vascular β-AR responsiveness and diminishes the activity of GRK2 [316]. Interestingly, β1-AR expression in the heart would be directly influenced by anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS, synthetic derivatives of T) [317]. The use of AAS in combination with resistance training frequently improves the physical performance and helps athletes gain muscle mass and strength [318, 319]. However, numerous AAS abuse side effects include endocrine (hypogonadism) and detrimental cardiovascular issues [320–322]. For instance, vigorous training, anabolic steroid abuse, and the sympathetic nervous system’s stimulation in mice increased cardiac levels of IL-1β and TNF-α and plasmatic levels of total cholesterol [320]. Furthermore, it has been demonstrated that the use of AAS induced cardiac hypertrophy and increased myocardial susceptibility to ischemia injury [322, 323]. In this context, the administration of nandrolone (AAS) to male rats under an exercise training protocol increased the expression of β1- and β2-AR in the cardiac right atrium, provoked the prolongation of the QTc interval, and increased the BP [324]. In addition, the exposure of nandrolone augmented hypertension in SHR rats and β1-AR protein expression in the left ventricle [317]. These data suggest that myocardial injury may be predisposed by high-performance training, steroid abuse, and the sympathetic nervous system’s stimulation. Moreover, these insights may explain cardiac ailments and deaths in athletes under an AAS regimen

 
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2275 mg/week AAS plus the gh and insulin. Thanks for sharing.

And I was pissed with my 8 bpm increase when I went from 150 mg/week Test Cyp to 200 plus oxandrolone. Lightweight haha.

Take care.
Haha. Yeah… I’ve been on and off for 22 years but never really did so responsibly. Now that I’m paying attention to things like bloodwork, BP, and RHR; it can be quite eye opening!

But yeah, 8 bpm… you’re good to go!
 
2275 mg/week AAS plus the gh and insulin. Thanks for sharing.

And I was pissed with my 8 bpm increase when I went from 150 mg/week Test Cyp to 200 plus oxandrolone. Lightweight haha.

Take care.
This is the extent of my experience with this as well... Increase moving from 150 to 200.... Baby steps i guess lol
 
I took a lot of time off since my last blast, so at 250mg, I was an extremely lean 210. Currently at 230 ~8% with 16 weeks left of my total blast. Blood work just came back good barring AST/ALT levels so dropping the var. Will likely up the test, primo, NPP (which I forgot to mention I was running but it won’t let me edit) one last time before dropping the primo and NPP and transitioning to masteron/tren.
Thanks for the info I would quite like to see what a year on 250 test would do for my physique and performance. I could get the advanced cardio bloods I first got a month ago. It shows how much plaque is being laid down in the arteries so is a very good indicator vs. just hdl and LdL old school bloods.

What is your haematocrit like on your 250 cruise?
 
Thanks for the info I would quite like to see what a year on 250 test would do for my physique and performance. I could get the advanced cardio bloods I first got a month ago. It shows how much plaque is being laid down in the arteries so is a very good indicator vs. just hdl and LdL old school bloods.

What is your haematocrit like on your 250 cruise?
My Hemo is great at 250 but keep in mind everyone is diff. Here is my mid-cycle blood work taken last week. Keep in mind that the lowish test for my dose is largely due to my daily injection protocol resulting is consistency and less crazy peaks. Bloodwork was also conducted immediately post workout.


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try semaglutide
What are you using it for?

I am curious how many on here are using these meds to drop from normal bodyfat levels to lean vs lean to munzer level conditioning.

This concept of using gh plus sema/reta to remove last little bit of BF does seem intriguing. I love the concept of fat loss for people who are extremely lean by societal standards.
 
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