RHR difference between HGH brands

[Kralteramon]

I've done a little experiment comparing QSC HGH with Lobster HGH with regards to RHR and Sleep. I can conclude with pretty high certainty, after multiple weeks of switching back and forth, that QSC HGH raises my RHR with average 7 beats per minute compared to Lobster with the same dose. It also makes a big difference with sleep. I sleep a lot better when my RHR is lower. I just wonder what the hell is going on here. QSC was a pretty reputable vendor. Did they spike the HGH with clen or something? There are much smarter people on this forum that might have a better explanation. I'm getting ready to toss 600iu in the bin and take my loss.

Ps. I posted a thread before on HGH and night sweats (with QSC HGH). I found out it was rapid onset OSA and I mitigated it with a mouth guard. No more apnea or snoring now.

 

[Ghoul]

(not directed at OP, just a general comment on this topic)

Let's use some logic and reason here.

The "sides" we're talking about are exactly the same ones warned of on all pharma GH boxes, and clearly associated with doses too high for a particular individual's sensitivity, but otherwise normal and expected, including by doctors prescribing GH.

-increased Basal Metabolic Rate and/or
-Edema increasing cardiac load

resulting in increased resting heart rate.

If someone has a pituitary tumor and too much natural GH is produced they will also suffer the same side effects.

So it's safe to say these sides come from too much growth hormone.

They aren't from "contaminants" or "low quality".

The side effects only come from growth hormone doing what growth hormone does.

If some amount of the growth hormone is defective, because it's misfolded perhaps, it won't work. You'll experience it as weaker GH. You'll be less likely to get sides at the same dose as one that's actually higher quality.

OP is experiencing less sides (RHR increase, less sleep disturbance) with Lobster's than QSCs.

Less sides have been reported numerous times on Lobster rHGH by those who've used other brands. "It's so clean".

So assuming no user error aren't the only possibilities here:

-QSC is significantly overdosed.
or
-Lobster has a lower proportion of "functioning" GH, making it less potent, so no sides the same dose.

?

 

[Stubb]

I see some flawed logic here because different people experience different sides from the same product. Some pharma gh has less reported sides than others. Does this mean some pharma is worse quality than others?

Is it really possible to truly compare from a few anecdotal reports here of which is "better"?

Its obviously a very nuanced subject and realistically there's only one way to get to the bottom of it, which is checking the bio activity of each brand.

 

[Ghoul]

I see some flawed logic here because different people experience different sides from the same product. Some pharma gh has less reported sides than others. Does this mean some pharma is worse quality than others?

Is it really possible to truly compare from a few anecdotal reports here of which is "better"?

Its obviously a very nuanced subject and realistically there's only one way to get to the bottom of it, which is checking the bio activity of each brand.

Usually for GH reviews here users will compare brands they've tried and report sides as an indicator of "low quality" and no sides a sign of "good quality". If standard GH sides indicate anything, it's that the GH is working, not that it's low quality. It's backwards.

 

[Kralteramon]

Usually for GH reviews here users will compare brands they've tried and report sides as an indicator of "low quality" and no sides a sign of "good quality". If standard GH sides indicate anything, it's that the GH is working, not that it's low quality. It's backwards.

It depends on the kind of side effect. I don't think that you can rule out another reason for the increased RHR on a fairly low dose of 3iu's. I'm trying SSA next and will report my findings anyhow.

 

[Photon]

What IU vials are you using for SSA, Q and Lobster?

 

[The Answ3r]

I've done a little experiment comparing QSC HGH with Lobster HGH with regards to RHR and Sleep. I can conclude with pretty high certainty, after multiple weeks of switching back and forth, that QSC HGH raises my RHR with average 7 beats per minute compared to Lobster with the same dose. It also makes a big difference with sleep. I sleep a lot better when my RHR is lower. I just wonder what the hell is going on here. QSC was a pretty reputable vendor. Did they spike the HGH with clen or something? There are much smarter people on this forum that might have a better explanation. I'm getting ready to toss 600iu in the bin and take my loss.

Ps. I posted a thread before on HGH and night sweats (with QSC HGH). I found out it was rapid onset OSA and I mitigated it with a mouth guard. No more apnea or snoring now.

Don’t toss it just yet, man. With Q and SSA, their HGH tends to be overdosed - which sounds great until your heart’s doing HIIT while you’re just tying your shoes.

For example, Lobster’s 110iu kits usually test closer to 10iu per vial, not 11. Before Q disappeared, I grabbed three 24iu kits - lab tests showed they were actually 26–27iu per vial. Same with SSA: grabbed five 24iu kits on the last promo, and tests showed 28iu per vial.

That said, each vial can vary - so even within the same kit, your actual dose might swing a bit. No one can say exactly what you’re getting per vial unless you test every single one. So maybe you’re accidentally micro-blasting yourself every jab. I’d try lowering the dose and see if things calm down - 600iu is a lot to chuck just because your vials came with a little too much love.

 

[Kralteramon]

Don’t toss it just yet, man. With Q and SSA, their HGH tends to be overdosed - which sounds great until your heart’s doing HIIT while you’re just tying your shoes.

For example, Lobster’s 110iu kits usually test closer to 10iu per vial, not 11. Before Q disappeared, I grabbed three 24iu kits - lab tests showed they were actually 26–27iu per vial. Same with SSA: grabbed five 24iu kits on the last promo, and tests showed 28iu per vial.

That said, each vial can vary - so even within the same kit, your actual dose might swing a bit. No one can say exactly what you’re getting per vial unless you test every single one. So maybe you’re accidentally micro-blasting yourself every jab. I’d try lowering the dose and see if things calm down - 600iu is a lot to chuck just because your vials came with a little too much love.

Qsc 10iu (tested at 12iu), lobster 10iu, (tested at 11iu), SSA 24iu incoming.

Even if QSC is way overdosed, which I doubt, how does that cause a +7bpm effect on RHR where Lobster had no effect on RHR. I just don't get it.

I'll hold off the tossing for now. Until I evaluated SSA and maybe I'll source some pharma gh somewhere to compare as well.

 

[Benf15harp]

Probably just a little sprinkle of the G.Floyd Fent
A QSC exclusive lol

 

[archive]

Qsc 10iu (tested at 12iu), lobster 10iu, (tested at 11iu), SSA 24iu incoming.

Even if QSC is way overdosed, which I doubt, how does that cause a +7bpm effect on RHR where Lobster had no effect on RHR. I just don't get it.

I'll hold off the tossing for now. Until I evaluated SSA and maybe I'll source some pharma gh somewhere to compare as well.

GH can increase the conversion of T4 to T3. Elevated T3 can increase RHR.

Also, were you dieting when you ran lobster? Maybe your thyroid was down-regulated. Do you have blood labs while running tracey's and lobster's gh to compare?

 

[Kralteramon]

GH can increase the conversion of T4 to T3. Elevated T3 can increase RHR.

Also, were you dieting when you ran lobster? Maybe your thyroid was down-regulated. Do you have blood labs while running tracey's and lobster's gh to compare?

I'm running the same diet and training phase + intensity. I've not done IGF bloodwork yet. I know about the conversion.

 

[Photon]

Qsc 10iu (tested at 12iu), lobster 10iu, (tested at 11iu), SSA 24iu incoming.

Even if QSC is way overdosed, which I doubt, how does that cause a +7bpm effect on RHR where Lobster had no effect on RHR. I just don't get it.

I'll hold off the tossing for now. Until I evaluated SSA and maybe I'll source some pharma gh somewhere to compare as well.

I would not expect a huge RHR increase either.
Q's 36 IU usually tests around 40-41 whereas most other vendors tests around 36-38, which is why I was asking about the IU for the vials used.

I'd be more interested in seeing the IGF labwork between the one with the huge increase in RHR and the one with the least tho.

 

[Ghoul]

I'm running the same diet and training phase + intensity. I've not done IGF bloodwork yet. I know about the conversion.

Increased RHR is an expected side of rHGH. Not in everyone, sensitivity varies., but it's not uncommon either.

Assuming all other things are equal, dose, your use, etc, the most obvious answer is the most likely. One is more potent than the other.

I'll bet 4 week on one, test, then 4 weeks on the other would show a significant difference in IGF.

 

[Photon]

Increased RHR is an expected side of rHGH. Not in everyone, sensitivity varies., but it's not uncommon either.

Assuming all other things are equal, dose, your use, etc, the most obvious answer is the most likely. One is more potent than the other.

I'll bet 4 week on one, test, then 4 weeks on the other would show a significant difference in IGF.

It's hard to say, I would assume higher IGF too but one might just be peaking faster than the other.

 

[Ghoul]

It's hard to say, I would assume higher IGF too but one might just be peaking faster than the other.

Absolutely right. Definitely a possibility (an under-appreciated one). I was going to mention that, but didn't want to cloud things with one of the more esoteric reasons since the most likely causes of different peak speed is the injection volume or location, which I assume is the same for both in this case.

 

[Kralteramon]

It's hard to say, I would assume higher IGF too but one might just be peaking faster than the other.

That's an interesting thought.

 

[Ghoul]

That's an interesting thought.

If you're referring to the "peaking" part causing sides, this was observed in some small scale trials. The higher the GH peak, the more likely the sides in adult patients. And it's not linear. More like a "switch". Once a certain threshold is crossed, sides kick in.

In one study, diluting the rHGH more was sufficient to lower and smooth the peak out. reducing the rate of side effects significantly.

IGF levels stayed the same whether there was a big or small GH peak, the only difference was in side effect rates.

 

[Mariafitness]

Is the conclusion still that lobsters is side effect free and SSA gives bloat n joint pain, if so at what dose, can 2-3iu be taken every other day without bloat? i just want the skin benefits and fat loss

 

[hexagonal]

Is the conclusion still that lobsters is side effect free and SSA gives bloat n joint pain, if so at what dose, can 2-3iu be taken every other day without bloat? i just want the skin benefits and fat loss

I would not take that as the conclusion.


For the general topic:

4IU of Lobster, SRY, and Opti Gold Top have all increased my RHR, but it has stayed relatively static on them the whole time.

Semi-related, Ivabradine has been effective at mitigating the majority of my AAS/HGH/Reta induced RHR increased heart rate now that I've been on it for a few days. 15-20bpm drop.

 

[The Answ3r]

Qsc 10iu (tested at 12iu), lobster 10iu, (tested at 11iu), SSA 24iu incoming.

Even if QSC is way overdosed, which I doubt, how does that cause a +7bpm effect on RHR where Lobster had no effect on RHR. I just don't get it.

I'll hold off the tossing for now. Until I evaluated SSA and maybe I'll source some pharma gh somewhere to compare as well.

I rotate GH from Q, Lobster, and now Opti gold tops - all of them crank my heart rate if I go above 2iu. That’s why I use ivabradine during cycle, otherwise my resting heart rate starts acting like I’m running from child support.

Planning a short break soon, maybe a month or two - let my receptors, wallet, and sanity recover.

But hey, if you’re really about to toss that 600iu - send it my way. I’ll treat it like an ex I still have feelings for: handle it gently, use it late at night, and never tell anyone about it.