Ridiculous PIP what went wrong?

[Gbaby12]

Did my second Test E injection today in Delt, tried warming up the test prior to injection, and used a brand new vial of test to do the injection. had alittle bit of blood come out when i pulled out and their is a small bruise around the site but so far no pain.

The Problem I'm having is I still feel my PIP from monday and never want to inject quads again! I used test E 300 from a UGL different vial then my delt injection, injected at the peak of the outer mid muscle. I have very shakey hands when I do this so needle problem moved around a bit. after injection, no blood, no pain, no inflamation, I massaged the muscle and it felt like it was full of fluid. next morning I wake up and it was a little sore, took 800mgs ibuprofen and a muscle relaxer, went about my day didn't bother me at all, was not swollen, could still feel fluid in it. I went to the gym ran 20mins on the elliptical and trained chest. Got home and it was starting to bug me, I was iceing my elbow (I have tendinitis) and I decided to throw the ice on my quad for a bit. Went to bed and Then suddenly at 3am I am awakened with crippling pain. struggleing to get out of bed and limping about my leg being extremely stiff and unable to bend, I took some more ibuprofen, and a muscle relaxer, put some icy hot on it and was able to fall asleep. The next morning popped some more pills and spent the rest of my day limping about, everyone around me asking what I had done to my leg. As the day progressed it got worse and worse.
the pain felt like a constant charlie horse like I had a tinier floyd may weather consistently throwing haymakers at my legs. got to the point where I could barely walk, and then the next morning the pain was even worse so that I could even get out of bed and walk around, not only did it hurt but my leg was to stiff to provide support or walk around, and it hurt like hell just to stand up. So I popped some more pills, the pain has subsided and seems to be in remission, and now I'm where I am at now after doing a delt injection.

Note: In pain, very swollen, no redness, not really hot, no abscess, no bruising. Sterile? I use 5 alcohol swabs for injection

My questions, Is this normal? Is this because my quads were virgin to injections? Is this because the ugl gear was contaminated, or shit? is this because I did not inject properly?

I can't train with my quad in this condition, this is fucked, I hope my delt injection doesn't result in the same tried warming it up, don't feel shit, didnt feel fluid after massaging it, at least I can work out with a sore shoulder if it does decide to get inflamed.

 

[Kinetic]

I occasionally get that on vigin sites with pharmaceutical (Watson) test. If there's no infection, I think you're good to go. Probably just went in at a funky angle with the pin. It'll go away in a few days.

 

[BigRed91]

My quads always got more pip so I quit pinning them I do Centro glutes and delts mostly. But mine did that one time and stayed so tight for over a week could barely bend it then got warm and red and I got a fever luckily I caught it in time and went to the doc and got some antibiotics. But pharmacom test e 300 did not agree with me so keep an eye on it and maybe a certain brand doesn't agree with u

 

[Test_Subject]

I don't do quads anymore because of the PIP. It seems to be 50/50 if I get it or not, and quad PIP interferes with working out and daily life in general.

 

[Gbaby12]

I don't do quads anymore because of the PIP. It seems to be 50/50 if I get it or not, and quad PIP interferes with working out and daily life in general.

My quads always got more pip so I quit pinning them I do Centro glutes and delts mostly. But mine did that one time and stayed so tight for over a week could barely bend it then got warm and red and I got a fever luckily I caught it in time and went to the doc and got some antibiotics. But pharmacom test e 300 did not agree with me so keep an eye on it and maybe a certain brand doesn't agree with u

I occasionally get that on vigin sites with pharmaceutical (Watson) test. If there's no infection, I think you're good to go. Probably just went in at a funky angle with the pin. It'll go away in a few days.

Thanks guys, I'm going to give it one more shot if its healed up next week and if I get the same reaction no more quad injections. @BigRed91 that's freaky that you got an infection a week later, I'm definitely going to keep an eye on it now just in case, thanks

 

[stone988]

shoot it in your glutes unless you have massive delts I would avoid it.

 

[Test_Subject]

shoot it in your glutes unless you have massive delts I would avoid it.

Delts aren't so bad. I'm 6' 215, so not huge by any means, and I can do delts no problem. I just use a 1" instead of a 1.5".

 

[BigRed91]

Thanks guys, I'm going to give it one more shot if its healed up next week and if I get the same reaction no more quad injections. @BigRed91 that's freaky that you got an infection a week later, I'm definitely going to keep an eye on it now just in case, thanks

Yea just keep an eye on it mine was like bad pip then leg got real tight like when I would bend it would feel super tight the got red then I got fever and if it happens to u get some antibiotics asap u can order fish amoxicillin on Amazon and save the cost of the doctor for future reference

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Could it be the compound it self?

i have some Test E 300 from a Meso source that left my delts with rock hard, painful lumps for a week after injection.

Asked around and it seemed to be an isolated incident.

So i figured, i either got a bad vial or Test E 300 just don't like my ass.

 

[Test_Subject]

So i figured, i either got a bad vial or Test E 300 just don't like my ass.

Test E is pretty soluble up to 300mg/ml. There's no need to add extra solvents, EO (that some people react poorly to) etc.

I can't see the concentration being an issue. It's possible of course, but unlikely IMO.

 

[Evom1]

I think you might be over reacting a bit. That's alot of ibuprofen to be taking, and the ice probably made it way worse.

Inflammation is the bodies way of healing. Excessive swelling is bad, but if you ice it and shunt the lymphatic flow, you're going to lead to it hurting more.... As you encountered.

Try using a heating pad instead. I mean to make the oil dissipate in the muscle prior to injection... Do you heat the vial or make it cold?

Try pinning the muscle right before training it also.

 

[Test_Subject]

Try pinning the muscle right before training it also.

This is solid advice. I always do delts if a pin falls on upper body day and glutes / ventro glutes if it falls on a lower body / deadlift day.

 

[Flaming Dragon]

You might want to go easy on the ibuprofen-high dosage have been shown to inhibit muscle growth and repair. If it's virgin muscle-there's no way around it.. you will get PIP! You might want to lower the dosage to .5cc and see if you're having the same issue. Now, if you still get the same PIP-then can possibility be the gear (high BA or not properly filtered).

 

[Big_paul]

@Gbaby12 the problem is most likely a combination of moving the pin around during injection and highly concentrated gear. 300mg/ml isn't going ti cause problems like 400mg/ml, but it still uses more solvent than a lower dose does.

You will know next time. If you inject with the same gear and don't have pip, it was from moving the pin while injecting.

 

[Gbaby12]

Trained shoulders and lats today and the only issue I had was having to "limp" around the gym with a bruise on my shoulder that said "I stuck steroids here." No Delt pip just a little sore, but not going to get cocky about it for all I know I can wake up tomorrow with shit pip in my delt as I did with my quad.

Glutes are very hard for me to do, I can't turn around to get the right angle and have trouble focusing to do it in the mirror, so I'm pretty much blind and that is no Bueno with my very unsteady hand.

I hate taking Ibuprofen, I'm taking orals and every dose of Nsaid is a nail in the coffin to my liver, (I have norcos but don't take those since theyre much worse) so far Ibuprofen is the only way I can get the swelling down so I can walk around and go about my daily business, without it, my leg is so stiff that I literally would need crutches to move around, no exaggeration.

Thats what I am thinking @Big_paul between my shakey hands while injecting and a high concentration of test E 300 (this stuff is thick, hard to push out of 23g) in my virgin quad, the only way I will know is if I hit it again which I really would rather not after this experience.

Kinda overreacting, and even though I don't really have symptoms of infection, I am still a little worried about it, my girlfriend has a full script of amoxicillin 10 days 10 pills, would it be wrong to take it as a precaution? or maybe better to just hold onto if an abscess pops up

 

[PIZZABOY]

Toss that stuff, I'm not the only one had issue wth test E 300 from what I've read. Wether reaction to oil or what. Had several good ones while back, recent one didn't like me. Way more pip than before. No infection.

 

[BigRed91]

Search ventro glute injection it's my go to spot easy to reach and can steady the pin with one hand while u push with the other if necessary and make sure u heat up ur oil right before injecting and I always take a hot shower before and massage it for a minute after injection and I use a heating pad if I kinda feel any pip and that works well for me

 

[Gbaby12]

Search ventro glute injection it's my go to spot easy to reach and can steady the pin with one hand while u push with the other if necessary and make sure u heat up ur oil right before injecting and I always take a hot shower before and massage it for a minute after injection and I use a heating pad if I kinda feel any pip and that works well for me

Maybe, I've steered clear because it looks like a hard spot to hit, I'm going to be doing my other quad or delt next week, but if I can get enough information and feel comfortable to do it right I'll try the ventro also, would be nice to be able to aspirate with one hand and hold it steady with the other, that's why my delts all bruised up 1handed aspiration takes skill.
can ventro be done with a 1in pin or do I need to go longer?

 

[TheMyth89]

I'd say virgin muscle, how long did you let the alcohol dry before pinning? I always use 3 wipes pre inject and 3 wipes Post inject. I wait about 5 minutes before pinning to make sure the alcohol is dried and the area is sanitized properly. Did you wiggle the pin? What size needle? Inject slow or fast?

 

[BigRed91]

Maybe, I've steered clear because it looks like a hard spot to hit, I'm going to be doing my other quad or delt next week, but if I can get enough information and feel comfortable to do it right I'll try the ventro also, would be nice to be able to aspirate with one hand and hold it steady with the other, that's why my delts all bruised up 1handed aspiration takes skill.
can ventro be done with a 1in pin or do I need to go longer?

1 inch is fine I have switched to half in 27g needles like @Roger rabbit said he does and I use them everywhere and love it. And I don't aspirate anymore bc like u said it causes a lot of wiggle and doctors don't aspirate anymore.have u been to spot injections .Com. Good info there but ventro is on ur side of ur hip if u flex it right it'll pop out and you can see where to inject then relax for the shot