Roberto - 30 yo Virgin going in !

[RobertoFR]

Hello guys! ^^

As the title says, I'm here to gather the final informations about my futur, and first, cycle.

Please feel free to comment/give me advice on anything on my post !

I've been training for 10 years +, and I finally decided to go on the dark side, for personal reasons (going the next step, having a better body, a new objective, and start to evolve again).

Regarding my cycle I want to do the minimum basic stuff to start, and see how my body reacts :
Between 400 and 500mg/week, split in two injection, for 12 weeks.
To go with, 0.5mg or Arimidex every day (should I start from the beggining, or wait to see if I get "puffy", start of small gyneco, etc ?).

Regarding the PCT, from what I've read, for a first and test only cycle, Nolvadex is enough. And so HCG is not mandatory for a cycle like this one.
And regarding Clomid, some people telle me it is a must have with Nolva, when other sources say it's ok to see how you react with one, and see the one your body likes better.
So, in your experience, for a first cycle, test E only, would you take HCG ?
And regarding Nolva alone (or Clomid alone) is it enough, or would you take both together ?
Thanks for your help !

Now regarding diet, I know it's a very basic question, but people talk a lot about drugs, but not so much about diet. So how am I supposed to adapt my diet at the beginning ?
Will I burn a lot more calories with test ?
Exemple : If I maintain my weight at 2000 kcal/day, and for exemple I would start a normal (natty) bulk at 2400 kcal. If I take test, will I have to eat a lot more calories ?
Ultimately, of course I'm going to adapt regarding my results, my feeling, my weight change, etc. But in theory, how big is the calorie expenditure change when adding testosterone ?

Thanks a lot for your help! It means a lot to me. And if you have any general advices, based on your own experience for exemple, feel free to share them ! Especially on how to keep your gains, your little trick for PCT, etc. I'm here to learn as much as possible!

Thanks!

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Hello guys! ^^

As the title says, I'm here to gather the final informations about my futur, and first, cycle.

Please feel free to comment/give me advice on anything on my post !

I've been training for 10 years +, and I finally decided to go on the dark side, for personal reasons (going the next step, having a better body, a new objective, and start to evolve again).

Regarding my cycle I want to do the minimum basic stuff to start, and see how my body reacts :
Between 400 and 500mg/week, split in two injection, for 12 weeks.
To go with, 0.5mg or Arimidex every day (should I start from the beggining, or wait to see if I get "puffy", start of small gyneco, etc ?).

Regarding the PCT, from what I've read, for a first and test only cycle, Nolvadex is enough. And so HCG is not mandatory for a cycle like this one.
And regarding Clomid, some people telle me it is a must have with Nolva, when other sources say it's ok to see how you react with one, and see the one your body likes better.
So, in your experience, for a first cycle, test E only, would you take HCG ?
And regarding Nolva alone (or Clomid alone) is it enough, or would you take both together ?
Thanks for your help !

Now regarding diet, I know it's a very basic question, but people talk a lot about drugs, but not so much about diet. So how am I supposed to adapt my diet at the beginning ?
Will I burn a lot more calories with test ?
Exemple : If I maintain my weight at 2000 kcal/day, and for exemple I would start a normal (natty) bulk at 2400 kcal. If I take test, will I have to eat a lot more calories ?
Ultimately, of course I'm going to adapt regarding my results, my feeling, my weight change, etc. But in theory, how big is the calorie expenditure change when adding testosterone ?

Thanks a lot for your help! It means a lot to me. And if you have any general advices, based on your own experience for exemple, feel free to share them ! Especially on how to keep your gains, your little trick for PCT, etc. I'm here to learn as much as possible!

Thanks!

Stats will help brother.

Age
weight
BF
calories

The calorie changes when running a cycle are largely based off your existing mass etc.

I understand the logic behind a Nolva only
However, age will have an impact on what I say, same with stats

Do you have baseline bloodwork?

It will really help to determine your pre cycle levels and general health markers before you take the plunge

EDIT
Noticed your 30
still wouldnt mind the other stats etx

 

[RobertoFR]

Stats will help brother.

Age
weight
BF
calories

The calorie changes when running a cycle are largely based off your existing mass etc.

I understand the logic behind a Nolva only
However, age will have an impact on what I say, same with stats

Do you have baseline bloodwork?

It will really help to determine your pre cycle levels and general health markers before you take the plunge

EDIT
Noticed your 30
still wouldnt mind the other stats etx

I’m 30, 183cm (that’s 6ft I guess ^^), about 83kg right now (182lbs), body fat around « fatasfuk »%. No honestly I feel fat as f*ck rn, I’d say around 14%, but I’m not going to start my cycle before 5-6 weeks, and I really want to drop some weight in the mean time.

So calories are around 1900-2000. I know it sounds very low, but I have a super slow metabolism, and since last year (not sure if it’s the hardcore cut I did going down to 5% or under naturally, or the fact that I hit 30, or both) I feel that my metabolism is really even slowier.
Man, getting old sucks.

I’m going to get my bloodwork before starting my cycle. I’m searching right now for a doctor that can help prescribing, but it’s hard to find (not leaving in the US ^^)

 

[Silentlemon1011]

I’m 30, 183cm (that’s 6ft I guess ^^), about 83kg right now (182lbs), body fat around « fatasfuk »%. No honestly I feel fat as f*ck rn, I’d say around 14%, but I’m not going to start my cycle before 5-6 weeks, and I really want to drop some weight in the mean time.

So calories are around 1900-2000. I know it sounds very low, but I have a super slow metabolism, and since last year (not sure if it’s the hardcore cut I did going down to 5% or under naturally, or the fact that I hit 30, or both) I feel that my metabolism is really even slowier.
Man, getting old sucks.

I’m going to get my bloodwork before starting my cycle. I’m searching right now for a doctor that can help prescribing, but it’s hard to find (not leaving in the US ^^)

May want to get your Thyroid checked while you're at it,
a good piece of knowledge to have IMHO

I am PERSONALLY not s fan of Nolvadex only.PCT
Nor am I a fan of leaving out HCG

Please note, this is my opinion.

Some guys react differently, I personally have my HPTA shut down very easily and recover very badly.
I know some guys that didn't even PCT off of Tren and are absolutely fine.

I know guys who totally crashed their HPTA from 1 month of Ostarine.

Which one are you?
You can't know until you try it, and you dont want to finish PCT and realize you didnt recover effectively

So I am personally of the thought that you should go all out on PCT
Man up on the discomfort and bullshit that goes with Clomid and HcG, be on the safe side.

There are those who will disagree with me, and that's okay.. this isnt a hill I'm prepared to die on, and I'm open to being proven wrong.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

as for the Arimidex

You should only use AI EHEN YOU NEED IT

Starting st the beginning will only crash your estro, you DO NOT want that.
Get blood work at 3-4 weeks and check your e2
Dial in your Adex according to your blood work

If you're pretty high
start with something like .5 twice a week.

If you're relativly in range with no sides, dont tske ANY adex.

You definitely want the positive intel before popping pills brother

 

[RobertoFR]

May want to get your Thyroid checked while you're at it,
a good piece of knowledge to have IMHO

I am PERSONALLY not s fan of Nolvadex only.PCT
Nor am I a fan of leaving out HCG

Please note, this is my opinion.

Some guys react differently, I personally have my HPTA shut down very easily and recover very badly.
I know some guys that didn't even PCT off of Tren and are absolutely fine.

I know guys who totally crashed their HPTA from 1 month of Ostarine.

Which one are you?
You can't know until you try it, and you dont want to finish PCT and realize you didnt recover effectively

So I am personally of the thought that you should go all out on PCT
Man up on the discomfort and bullshit that goes with Clomid and HcG, be on the safe side.

There are those who will disagree with me, and that's okay.. this isnt a hill I'm prepared to die on, and I'm open to being proven wrong.

First, thanks for taking the time to help me.

So from what I understand it will really depend on the person, but there is no clear answer... What will be the worst case scenario if I only use Nolva ? Test will take to much time to go back up, I will notice a few weeks later, and I've read that, even if it's not optimal I could take HCG at this moment, and it will still help.
But is there any health issue that could come up if I don't take HCG and I would need it ?

 

[RobertoFR]

as for the Arimidex

You should only use AI EHEN YOU NEED IT

Starting st the beginning will only crash your estro, you DO NOT want that.
Get blood work at 3-4 weeks and check your e2
Dial in your Adex according to your blood work

If you're pretty high
start with something like .5 twice a week.

If you're relativly in range with no sides, dont tske ANY adex.

You definitely want the positive intel before popping pills brother

Thanks, from what I've read, that looks like the optimal way to do it.
I hope I can do that much bloodwork, but here it's kinda complicated. I'm not even sure I can do a free test bloodwork... I might have to cross the border to do a bloodwork... stupid AF.

And can I ask you what would you ask to check with the bloodwork ? Like the mandatory things ? Everybody has a slight different list...

Test, free test, LH, FSH, oestrogen...?

Thanks a lot bro.

 

[rthor4573]

If you go to the Steroid Lab Testing forum, there are a couple sticky threads that go over the basics of getting bloods done.

I've been researching and will be creating a post soon, similar to this one, asking a few questions and laying out my first cycle, opening it up for critique and opinions.

I'm glad to see your thread here. I'll be following it to maybe answer some of the questions I have, and maybe avoiding some redundancy in the asking of mine. Good luck man.

 

[RobertoFR]

If you go to the Steroid Lab Testing forum, there are a couple sticky threads that go over the basics of getting bloods done.

I've been researching and will be creating a post soon, similar to this one, asking a few questions and laying out my first cycle, opening it up for critique and opinions.

I'm glad to see your thread here. I'll be following it to maybe answer some of the questions I have, and maybe avoiding some redundancy in the asking of mine. Good luck man.

Hi bro,

Yeah I read a lot of blood work, but each one has its own few "twist", I wanted to know what is the most important, espacialy for a test only cycle.
Apparently in the US, you have some test "kit" that contains all the exams usually required when doing a steroid cycle. But here there is nothing like that.

If you want I can send you what I ended up doing.

 

[ForeverSmall]

Thanks, from what I've read, that looks like the optimal way to do it.
I hope I can do that much bloodwork, but here it's kinda complicated. I'm not even sure I can do a free test bloodwork... I might have to cross the border to do a bloodwork... stupid AF.

And can I ask you what would you ask to check with the bloodwork ? Like the mandatory things ? Everybody has a slight different list...

Test, free test, LH, FSH, oestrogen...?

Thanks a lot bro.

Stack that with a complete blood panel and you should be good. If all is good, blast on buddy.

 

[RobertoFR]

Stack that with a complete blood panel and you should be good. If all is good, blast on buddy.

Thanks bro !
Yes that's what I did. Awaiting for the results.

 

[malfeasance]

Is that you in the avatar?

 

[limitphobic]

Pertaining hCG: I’ve heard some reserve hCG for cycles 14 weeks or longer or are tryna get the mrs prego while blasting (pun not intended) but IMHO I think hCG would be of benefit to any cycle (I’ve heard an analogy concerning hCG as keeping the horse in the stable vs no hCG as chasing that fucker down) just keep an eye on estrogen and prolactin because I’ve read it can spike prolactin shortly while increasing estro for a longer duration. And pct... I recommend clomid AND nolva (I’m no biantist or sciologist) but... I remember reading somewhere that they work slightly different and work better to restore the HPTA when together.