Scared of gyno on TRT - so many questions

GoldenTable

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Good morning,

I already developed a gyno in puberty - but only on the left side I think, because there is and always was a lump. The other side doesn't feel different from other areas of the chest - but the nipple is still puffy. I'm diagnosed with primary hypogonadism, my Test levels pre TRT were sitting at around 250, my E2 was already at 37pg/mL (reference range is 15-43). I was at 181lbs (5'10") now I'm at 172lbs, so now I'm visible leaner than pre TRT.
Since oktober first I inject e2d for a total of 135mg/week. However I'm scared my already existing gyno starts to grow again.
So I got a few questions:

1. Does it make any sense to draw blood next week and see where my E2 and test levels are? According to steroidplotter I should've reached steady levels at the 30day mark. My idea now was to draw blood next week, if my test and E2 is already high, I would like to reduce the dose to 120 or 100mg.

2. Is there a rough estimate in days or weeks of how quickly a gyno develops? Does it matters whether one is in a caloric deficit or surplus?

3. Is the growth of a gyno always noticeable for everyone? So does everyone get itchy/hurting nips? If not - are there any other indicators?

4. Until I got labs back, I don't want to use an AI, because I want to see where my E2 goes without intervention. Is it safe (only if I get definite symptoms) to introduce 10 or 20mg Tamox per day? Here is a paper, showing tamox can increase E2 values in elderly women with breast cancer after years of treatment: Changes in serum estrogen levels in women during tamoxifen therapy - PubMed Assuming I draw blood next week, does tamox already increases estrogen in a matter of days?

I know most answers are highly individual, but I hope someone can calm me down a little bit. Thank you!
 
It won't sneak up on you. Itchy nips is just an early sign to get your E2 down.
oh yeah. I remember my first time messing around with prohormones actually straight out of college many many years ago

Soaping up my chest in the shower and my hand going over my nipple hurt so bad

After many years now I have it down to a science regarding my nipples.

I can actually pinch behind them to see if I’m get any sort of flair up.

Sometimes if I am and it’s not too bad I’ll let it go for as long as I can since I generally don’t like taking ai.

But when it gets to the point where I need to stop it from getting worse I’ll take .5mg arimidex and be good for a while
 
I’ve never used mast before but I’ve tried using nolvadex before when I was experimenting with the flair ups but it never helped as much or as quick as arimidex did so I always just stick with arimidex for a quick fix.
 
I tried Nolvadex and raloxifene. The Nolvadex made me feel terrible after awhile so switched to ralox. Those helped some but nothing like mast. Something about masteron just tightens your chest up and it seems like it pulls a lot the water off you. Like I said 2 months on mast and the lump is gone.
 
I understand that. It hasn't affected my hair but I'm not prone to hairloss. Mast is now my favorite AAS. I look the best, feel the best, on mast compared to everything I've tried.
 
yeah I know my luck with hair if I did mast it would be the end of my hair days and I’d go bald.

Also for nolvadex I never felt shitty on it but I never went over 20mg a day for 2 weeks. I probably never ran it long enough for it to actually work.
 
If you're afraid of side effects from gear, don't use gear.
gyno op is next year, so I only care for the time until the gland is removed.
I had a pea sized lump from anadrol. Using mast last cycle made it completely disappear
hey, do you mind sharing your dosages? I already considered mast, after I saw this Studies on the treatment of idiopathic gynaecomastia with percutaneous dihydrotestosterone - PubMed however they used cream and although blood levels are shown, I wonder how much injectable mast would be equivalent in dose. I assume the effects are dose dependent? Maybe you tried different dosages? Would love to get more insights. Thanks alot
 
gyno op is next year, so I only care for the time until the gland is removed.

hey, do you mind sharing your dosages? I already considered mast, after I saw this Studies on the treatment of idiopathic gynaecomastia with percutaneous dihydrotestosterone - PubMed however they used cream and although blood levels are shown, I wonder how much injectable mast would be equivalent in dose. I assume the effects are dose dependent? Maybe you tried different dosages? Would love to get more insights. Thanks alot
I've only ran mast one time. I started at 300mg/wk with 300mg/wk Test E and 1.5mg adex per week. I used Nolvadex off and on during this cycle. I ran at those doses for 5 weeks, then another 5 weeks at 400mg/wk mast and 500mg/week test e. I ran out of mast or I would have continued for another few weeks. But really after 4 weeks I noticed the gyno lump was gone. I'm sure it might still be there but if so it's so small I literally can't even feel it anymore. Hope this helps.
 
Trt taken at a dose to give you the testosterone levels of a healthy man shouldnt give you any gyno issues, if your trt dose is aimed at giving you slightly more testosterone than the average man then yeah you will need to add an aromatase inhibitor.
 
Properly dosed trt is very unlikely to give you gyno. The odds of having sky high e2 on 135 mg a week are very unlikely too. You definitely should get blood tests to see where your hormones are. Don't add any other compounds until you get your trt dialed in. You may not need AI at all. Take a deep breath and relax. Squeeze your tits a little. Are they sore or sensitive? People who freak out start throwing all kinds of random shit into their bodies needlessly.
 
Trt taken at a dose to give you the testosterone levels of a healthy man shouldnt give you any gyno issues, if your trt dose is aimed at giving you slightly more testosterone than the average man then yeah you will need to add an aromatase inhibitor.
Plenty of people have gyno with natural test levels. It doesn’t take blasting gear to get gyno for some people. I’ve had it since puberty as have many others
 
Plenty of people have gyno with natural test levels. It doesn’t take blasting gear to get gyno for some people. I’ve had it since puberty as have many others
and so do I. But I don't know if an already existing gyno grows faster, than a complete new one.

Trt taken at a dose to give you the testosterone levels of a healthy man shouldnt give you any gyno issues, if your trt dose is aimed at giving you slightly more testosterone than the average man then yeah you will need to add an aromatase inhibitor.
no, the goal is to aim for the upper third of the reference range. From there we adjust the dose based on symptoms (or better: symptom relief).

Properly dosed trt is very unlikely to give you gyno. The odds of having sky high e2 on 135 mg a week are very unlikely too. You definitely should get blood tests to see where your hormones are. Don't add any other compounds until you get your trt dialed in. You may not need AI at all. Take a deep breath and relax. Squeeze your tits a little. Are they sore or sensitive? People who freak out start throwing all kinds of random shit into their bodies needlessly.

My nipples don't feel sore, I feel a lump yes, but theoretically, I could pinch very hard without pain at all.
This post is mainly, because I don't know what to expect if things go wrong. Does everybody feel when he gets gyno? Or are people out there, wo never noticed anything until it was clearly visible? So I'm more scared of, that the gyno sneaks up on me.
 
Well for me the goal isnt to aim for the upper third of the range, its to get my levels right so i feel normal, my free test is bang in the middle and i feel good, thats my goal.
 
Good morning,

I already developed a gyno in puberty - but only on the left side I think, because there is and always was a lump. The other side doesn't feel different from other areas of the chest - but the nipple is still puffy. I'm diagnosed with primary hypogonadism, my Test levels pre TRT were sitting at around 250, my E2 was already at 37pg/mL (reference range is 15-43). I was at 181lbs (5'10") now I'm at 172lbs, so now I'm visible leaner than pre TRT.
Since oktober first I inject e2d for a total of 135mg/week. However I'm scared my already existing gyno starts to grow again.
So I got a few questions:

1. Does it make any sense to draw blood next week and see where my E2 and test levels are? According to steroidplotter I should've reached steady levels at the 30day mark. My idea now was to draw blood next week, if my test and E2 is already high, I would like to reduce the dose to 120 or 100mg.

2. Is there a rough estimate in days or weeks of how quickly a gyno develops? Does it matters whether one is in a caloric deficit or surplus?

3. Is the growth of a gyno always noticeable for everyone? So does everyone get itchy/hurting nips? If not - are there any other indicators?

4. Until I got labs back, I don't want to use an AI, because I want to see where my E2 goes without intervention. Is it safe (only if I get definite symptoms) to introduce 10 or 20mg Tamox per day? Here is a paper, showing tamox can increase E2 values in elderly women with breast cancer after years of treatment: Changes in serum estrogen levels in women during tamoxifen therapy - PubMed Assuming I draw blood next week, does tamox already increases estrogen in a matter of days?

I know most answers are highly individual, but I hope someone can calm me down a little bit. Thank you!
the right thing to do is to check e2 every 4/5/6 weeks and keep ai on hands, no choice
 
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