Karl, the confirmed owner of the UGLs Sciroxx and Western-BioTech, is a scammer, liar and weasel. Karl came to Meso claiming to have invested millions of dollars to build a GH manufacturing facility. However, he has been unable to provide ANY of the analytical data - despite months of requests - that would be readily available to anyone manufacturing GH.
Karl's GH underwent an extensive independent HPLC-MS analysis and the results showed the GH was pharm grade. Since Karl has been unable to provide his analytical data that would help confirm that he is indeed manufacturing GH, and also taking into consideration Karl's history of gross dishonesty, the only conclusion that can be drawn is Karl is *currently* reselling pharm grade, or, what's far more likely, research R&D grade GH in order to build up a large customer base before substituting either generic or bunk GH. Regardless, the evidence is clear that Karl IS NOT manufacturing his own GH and a scam is in the works.
A Meso member placed an order for $6000 worth of Sciroxx product which Karl accepted. Once Karl had the member's money, he refused to ship the product, citing "problems."
Karl eventually shipped a few hundred "loose" and unlabled tablets - a drop in the bucket - which were useless to the client. When the client had the audacity to complain about Karl giving him the runaround, the address the client used to receive the loose tablets received a suspicious visit from the cops, asking if any "bodybuilders" lived there.
Several other Meso members have also had similar issues when ordering with Karl and they've been met with outright denials, ridicule and childish insults.
To this day, Karl refuses to accept responsibility and make any of the clients whole.
Karl is a scammer and the Sciroxx and Western-BioTech brands should be avoided.
Karl's GH underwent an extensive independent HPLC-MS analysis and the results showed the GH was pharm grade. Since Karl has been unable to provide his analytical data that would help confirm that he is indeed manufacturing GH, and also taking into consideration Karl's history of gross dishonesty, the only conclusion that can be drawn is Karl is *currently* reselling pharm grade, or, what's far more likely, research R&D grade GH in order to build up a large customer base before substituting either generic or bunk GH. Regardless, the evidence is clear that Karl IS NOT manufacturing his own GH and a scam is in the works.
A Meso member placed an order for $6000 worth of Sciroxx product which Karl accepted. Once Karl had the member's money, he refused to ship the product, citing "problems."
Karl eventually shipped a few hundred "loose" and unlabled tablets - a drop in the bucket - which were useless to the client. When the client had the audacity to complain about Karl giving him the runaround, the address the client used to receive the loose tablets received a suspicious visit from the cops, asking if any "bodybuilders" lived there.
Several other Meso members have also had similar issues when ordering with Karl and they've been met with outright denials, ridicule and childish insults.
To this day, Karl refuses to accept responsibility and make any of the clients whole.
Karl is a scammer and the Sciroxx and Western-BioTech brands should be avoided.
Karl is not just a lying, dishonest scammer. He is a danger to anyone that orders from him. I am a respected source and ordered from him. To cut a long story short, he robbed me of 6K, knew I would kick up a stink, so asked for an address to send prods. He sent me a few hundred loose tabs which are absolutely no good to me or anyone else...then next thing I know, the address they were sent to got raided by LE. As the address was a virgin address, my first thoughts turned to Karl. I googled every lab he has been associated with and you would not believe the amount of busts linked to Karl.....draw your own conclusions!!!
Back in June I contacted Karl and entered into talks about possibly stocking the Sciroxx line. Karl was eager to get me on board and assured me that he could supply me with all products in a timely manner. I sent him over $6K in early July.
As soon as he had my money he claimed problems had arisen and he was unable to send any oils. I told him if I am unable to list his oils I wasn't interested in stocking his other products. He refused to refund me and claimed he would try to sort his problems.
After 3 months of hounding him I received a package. What did I receive? A few hundred loose tabs, unfinished, no packaging and totally useless to me or anyone else! I don't even know what they are.
I've told KarI I don't want his tablets and I don't want to stock his line anymore but I do want to get something for my $6K so I told him I would settle for his HGH if it is top grade. He agreed months ago however how much HGH have i received? Nothing, zilch, nada, nish!!
I am now wondering if he is really having all these problems that are preventing him from shipping me out stuff that I have paid for or if he is just trying to rob me.
GIVE ME A REFUND KARL!!!
I DO NOT RECOMMEND SHOPPING HERE!!!
No Karl, I did not threaten to grass you. I am happy to paste in our PM's if you like.
I never asked for those useless loose tabs, with no packaging that are no good to anyone. I will send them back. You only asked for an address and sent them so you could set me up. Funny how after receiving the tabs, the address was visited by LE and the lady of the house was asked if she knew any bodybuilders. In your tiny mind, you believed that grassing on me would get me off your back and you would get away with my 6k.
This visit from LE was suspicious to say the least as that address had never been used to receive any other products and was a virgin address. You were the only person I gave that address to. Naturally my suspicions turned to you so I googled Sciroxx, Axio, etc and guess what? There are a plethora of news reports and forum posts of scores of your resellers getting busted. You are named in the news reports as the person shipping gear to the distributors.
On top of that, among the myriad of excuses you have given me as to why you could not ship out the gear that I ordered, one was that two of your distributors, recently got busted!! You are either jinxed or something is very wrong. Members can come to their own conclusions.
Now it has been over three months since you took my 6K. I no longer want to do business with you and I am entitled to a full refund.
Now as I have told you before:
1) I DO NOT WANT YOUR GEAR.
2) I WILL NEVER GIVE YOU ANOTHER ADDRESS.
3) THE ONLY THING I AM WILLING TO ACCEPT IS A FULL REFUND.
I have explained to you how we can do this very safely, regardless of whether you are broke as you have claimed...you have no excuse.
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