shots are not working.- Update.

[Kroms_laugh]

I stopped taking Fish oil because I heard of toxins that can cause nasty illness'. So now, I take lots of Flax seed oil... am I wrong in doing this?

 

[pmgamer18]

I was doing flax seed oil but like SWALE said you don't get the DHA from flax seed oil and there are a lot of good fish oils out there that are safe to take you just have to be care full what you buy. I am still taking a black current seed oil it helps keep my nails from riping it keeps them hard. The Costico fish oil is clean and the sams club both are good. My Dr. told me to take fish oil to help keep my Testosterone shots from being used up so fast. And to help with the joint and muscle pain. I have only been on it for a week time will tell.
Phil

 

[cpeil2]

. I am still taking a black current seed oil it helps keep my nails from riping it keeps them hard.

Really?? My nails look like hell. They're full of ridges in both directions and they tear easily. How much do you take?

 

[pmgamer18]

Really?? My nails look like hell. They're full of ridges in both directions and they tear easily. How much do you take?

I got this from reading Dr. Weil's book he said to take 2 soft gels a day for the first to months then when your nails do better just take one.
Here is what I get.
http://www.myvitanet.com/blaccurseedo5.html
Phil

 

[SWALE]

That's good to know.

 

[DavidZ]

I get my fish oil the old-fashioned way......I eat a lot of fish!

 

[pmgamer18]

That is the best way to go I love fish and when ever we go out to eat I order Fish but not fryed.
No one in my house likes Fish but me. In the day I was always out fishing living in the greats lakes Michigan. I would be hand lineing in the Det. river for Walleyes or using down riggers fishing for salmon in Lake Michigan when the DNR use to plant the salmon we were catching 40#'s in the mouth of the Obaso river in lake Huron when they made there run in September. Those days are gone now the DNR does not plant salmon in the great lakes any more. And I am all fished out.
Phil

 

[ciobl]

LH and FSH for dummies

Well for the time being my Dr. does not want to add hcg shots to my TRT. I feel he has a good point on not including Hcg with T shots. He showed me the last test I had that he checked my LH and FSH. To prove his point my LH was 3.33 mIU/mL range 2 to 12 and FSH was 5 mIU/mL range 1 to 12. So what he is saying if I add 250 IU's two days before my next shot of Depo T I will kill my LH stop it. He told me a lot of men that are primary still have LH and FSH. My tests came back on the low side and he felt that the starting dose of 100 mg. every week was to low but to be safe that is what we started at. So now he upped my shots to 150 mgs. every week. But if I don't do better in 6 weeks he will try giving me Hcg.

bros, according to Shippen:

"Usually, if it's a control center problem, lab tests will show that levels of LH and FSH are
low, indicating the body is not making an effort to stimulate testosterone increase. If its a problem of testicular incapacity, LH and FSH levels will be High because the pituitary, in a vain effort to force the testicles to manufacture t adequately, will be releasing those hormones at every opportunity."


For dummies:

LH and FSH -> high ( primary )
LH and FSH -> low ( secondary )

bros help me out as I am still learning this stuff, but am i missing something from his statement or am i misinterpreting something from above ?

 

[Weatherlite]

Even if you are primary, which means your testes aren't producing, you can still benefit from HCG. Yes, HCG stimulates natural production so one would think it wouldn't work when you have primary. Not necessarily so. They can still produce just not a lot. So it will help to some degree. Also, there are LH receptors in other parts of the body. HCG will mimic the LH thereby activating those receptors. In many this increases a feeling of well-being.

So, HCG could be of use to you.

 

[pmgamer18]

bros, according to Shippen:

"Usually, if it's a control center problem, lab tests will show that levels of LH and FSH are
low, indicating the body is not making an effort to stimulate testosterone increase. If its a problem of testicular incapacity, LH and FSH levels will be High because the pituitary, in a vain effort to force the testicles to manufacture t adequately, will be releasing those hormones at every opportunity."


For dummies:

LH and FSH -> high ( primary )
LH and FSH -> low ( secondary )

bros help me out as I am still learning this stuff, but am i missing something from his statement or am i misinterpreting something from above ?

I wonder if you have read my first post "Shots are not working. This one is an Update. I am not going on Hcg because I am Still making LH and FSH. It makes no since to stop my body from making it using Hcg to have Hcg replace it. I have been on TRT for over 21 yrs. and I am primary no Dummies about it. A lot of men on TRT Have very low levels of LH and FSH I don't and if I go on Hcg it will stop my body from making it. As for my test in my Update I was talking about my T levels on my blood test doing 100 mg. shots every week. My levels were on the low side so my Dr. upped my shots to 150 mgs. It may well be true that if you are on TRT and primary with a very low LH and FSH that using Hcg will help. But I am still showing that my body is making LH and FSH so all my Dr. is why do it you all ready have it.
I am sorry if you did not understand what I was saying writing is not my best thing in life to do. I am not good at it.
Phil

 

[Weatherlite]

Ahhh...never considered that he might not have understood that aspect of it.

Phil's dead on in his reasoning as to why he might not benefit from HCG. He COULD possibly still benefit but to what amount I'm not sure. He'd probably need a lot more than the average TRT patient but that would inevitably end up elevating his E2 which would be counterproductive.

 

[pmgamer18]

I was shocked when my Dr. showed me on my test that I am stil making LH and FSH. I see a lot of blood tests posted at the Hypogoandism2 group and there being on TRT has all but showed a very low LH and FSH so maybe they are not truly primary but both secondary and primary.
Phil

 

[ciobl]

I was shocked when my Dr. showed me on my test that I am stil making LH and FSH. I see a lot of blood tests posted at the Hypogoandism2 group and there being on TRT has all but showed a very low LH and FSH so maybe they are not truly primary but both secondary and primary.
Phil

That's exactly what I meant, if you follow the same pattern of low lh and fsh will suggest secondary is evident and therefore hcg administration is appropiate.

take care bro.

 

[mranak]

I get my fish oil the old-fashioned way......I eat a lot of fish!

Unfortunately, you also get mercury when you eat fish the old fashioned way. You might also get mercury from fish oil supplements (or maybe not...it depends), but it is certainly less mercery per unit of oil than you get from eating fish. This is because the majority of fish oil supplement producers have a purification process. The said, the jury is still out about whether or not these purification processes are sufficient.

 

[pmgamer18]

That's exactly what I meant, if you follow the same pattern of low lh and fsh will suggest secondary is evident and therefore hcg administration is appropiate.

take care bro.

Maybe it is the way I write. I have had Low T for over 21 yrs. my first blood test was Total T 120 and the LH and FSH were at the very top of the range.

I am now on shots every week and my last blood test showed my LH and FSH producing up in the mid rage. So If I added Hcg to the mix I would stop my own LH and FSH. To add Hcg that will do the same thing my own body is doing make no since. Beleve me I am primary.
Phil

 

[SWALE]

The inhibition that occurs at the HP is from T and E. It does not sense whether it was induced by test cyp or HCG. I have lowered test cyp dosing or gel to add in HCG, to keep T and E the same, and the patient is much the better for it. Therefore your doctor is mistaken.