monster8912
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Brother youre benching 55kg. Test isnt your solution
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Should I try test?
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thejumpingsheep
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What? No bud this is wrong. You dont know how he will react to 2iu. Thats the mistake.
Also IGF and HGH drop as you age. I seriously doubt sensitivity increases. I have no idea what you are talking about. Plenty of older guys take big doses and have lower IGF than I do at 2iu.
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Mongo966
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reading and comprehension skills are off the fuckin charts with this one.
A round of applause is in order.
i'm telling him to build muscle and worry about definition later. At no point did I tell him to eat carelessly.
shredded.lyfe
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I thought that was an odd comment too
No dummy it 100% does not. Stop talking out of your bunghole man. Also GH for a dude that’s not on Test is a gigantic waste of money especially the Pharma hes running. In my 30s 2iu put me in high 300s igf1. Not everyone responds the same. Stop quoting gay shitfluencers on instagram saying x amount of iu is the proper dose. GTFO here
riggspersonal
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Gonna give an asshole response and then apologize afterwards.
You're just plain wrong. Don't go around giving harmful advice when you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Everyone reacts differently to HGH dosing. Subject A 33/m/200lbs/6ft/15% BF and subject B 33/m/200lbs/6ft/15% BF taking 2iu of HGH can have significantly different impacts on IGF-1 levels. The biochemical response can vary significantly. For some, this can put there z-scores in acromelagy territory.
The most significant driver of this variability is genetics. The Growth Hormone Receptor (GHR) gene has a common polymorphism involving the deletion of exon 3 (d3).
Individuals can carry a full-length receptor gene (fl/fl), be heterozygous for the deletion (fl/d3), or be homozygous for the deletion (d3/d3).
Research consistently shows that individuals with the d3/d3 genotype have a heightened receptor sensitivity to GH and will generate a significantly higher IGF-1 response to the exact same dose of exogenous HGH compared to those with the fl/fl genotype.
Source: https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/100/6/E919/2829723?login=false
Anyways, sorry.
riggspersonal
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You're just plain wrong. Don't go around giving harmful advice when you have no idea you're talking about. Everyone reacts differently to HGH dosing. Subject A 33/m/200lbs/6ft/15% BF and subject B 33/m/200lbs/6ft/15% BF taking 2iu of HGH can have significantly different impacts on IGF-1 levels. The biochemical response can vary significantly. For some, this can put their z-scores in acromelagy territory.
The most significant driver of this variability is genetics. The Growth Hormone Receptor (GHR) gene has a common polymorphism involving the deletion of exon 3 (d3).
Individuals can carry a full-length receptor gene (fl/fl), be heterozygous for the deletion (fl/d3), or be homozygous for the deletion (d3/d3).
Research consistently shows that individuals with the d3/d3 genotype have a heightened receptor sensitivity to GH and will generate a significantly higher IGF-1 response to the exact same dose of exogenous HGH compared to those with the fl/fl genotype.
Source: https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/100/6/E919/2829723?login=false
Elektrobot
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Sometimes the reason you aren't feeling well is obvious once you type it out for yourself
You are overweight but are trying to convince yourself not abusing testosterone is what's holding you back from feeling your best?
Lose the weight
Fix your training
Learn nutrition
Do the obvious things
Don't look for an injection to fix things that you refuse to fix for yourself
Because it wont
Training knowledge and maturity, an understanding of sports nutrition, adhering to a well designed food plan, discipline, hard work, consistency... these are the things that will change how you feel. And you can't inject any of them.
Elektrobot
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GH and IGF levels are not directly or linearly correlated
Some people go from 100's to 300's on 2iu's (me), and some can't get above 100's on 6iu
Thats why you have to test natty, then test as you increase your dose. You can't guess at GH
Mongo966
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Yeah I guess I could have worded that one a little better now that I look at it.
It didn't seem too bad at all before I had my nap.
My bad.
shredded.lyfe
Member
There's literally a thread on here talking about z score and reference ranges in regards to age, you need less iu the older you are to get to the top of the igf1 range.
Growth hormone on its own is not a waste at all, he's struggling with recovery not hypertrophy, growth hormone is going to help him recover much more than testosterone.
They're called performance enhancing drugs because they increase performance, not because they increase recovery and in terms of recovery there was no difference between a natural and enhanced lifter when it came to AAS.
You'd know that if you had a fucking clue about athletics and did performance sports and not bullshit broscience bodybuilding.
shredded.lyfe
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Don't disagree with this, metabolism is individual and he should wash out and find his baseline igf1
You’re a moron. GH will do nothing more beneficial for this man than good sleep, creatine and protein and proper calories will. Show me where GH on its own WITHOUT use of anabolics is worth it. I know much more about this game than you do u guarantee you that TikTok boy. How in the actual f can you say GH will hell him more than testosterone with recovery? Do you understand muscle protein synthesis or higher training output? GH alone is just gonna make this guy pre diabetic and watery you lil boy.
Mongo966
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lol he said bunghole.
hellerhiwater
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nothing about your response was assholeish. go off, king.
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Personofinterest
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I just got my blood test results for IGF-1 with 2IU daily HGH which is 219ng/ml
Even with Tesamorelin/Ipamorelin I got 234ng/ml before.
I think @shredded.lyfe is right. I need more IU in that case right?
Your results off 2iu are fine 3iu will most likely put you in 300s. I will tell you though 3iu and 300s isnt going to be magic. It isn’t going to do Jack for you without the synergy of an anabolic alongside it. You need to ask yourself what are you trying to achieve? The more Hgh you use and higher you push your igf1 isn't going to do anything special without an anabolic environment like using 300-500mg of test. Stay at 2iu and dial everything else in and get leaner and jump on a cycle if you want. You pumping your IGF1 up arbitrarily trying to hit a magic number is just spinning your wheels and wasting your money. Safe to say you aren’t like myself and select few others where 2iu EOD puts me in the high 300s etc. Again I would never use HGH without an anabolic alongside it.
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