Degree isn't a great indicator of intelligence, but I definitely don't think Kurt's unintelligent. It's hard to gauge his true beliefs when he changes them depending on whoever he's talking to. I haven't read the books either, so can't really comment that. Do agree on your last point.
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Yeah that is what I am seeing on telegram most people are getting last mile only. Peeling the usps label is showing a freight forwarder label that you can see the tracking that happened in China.
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Kurt says outlandish and sensationalized claims for views. The claims of severe hepatotoxicity of tbol being responsible for killing tens of thousands of East Germans during the doping Olympics "tbolshevik revolution" nonsense put me off of him. The structure difference between enan and cyp is another nonsense claim. He also is not conducting a "study", merely a "systematic review" possibly even just a "literary review" of the current studies to hypothesize an efficacy difference. He's going into said review with a preformed hypothesis. Not the most ethical beacon of processes there. When looking for evidence to support a hypothesis one can usually find it.
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Ray says he will give me HGH recipe Monday
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aljowa
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I don't doubt Kurt Havens' intelligence, and he seems to have a decent amount of knowledge about PEDs. I believe he has pro bodybuilders among his clients, so I don't consider him a poor resource. However, if you search around the site, there are many unconnected threads where users comment on the poor quality of his GH book, as well as substantial critiques of various claims he has made on podcasts. Now, as I don't possess the requisite knowledge to verify the veracity of these criticisms, I withhold myself from outright dismissing his expertise, but the amount of unrelated negative comments does cause me to be somewhat skeptical of the information he provides.
I had to do a little digging to find the plagiarism accusations against him that I referred to. Once again, I cannot verify the authenticity of this accusation, but I also have no reason to believe the accuser is fabricating the accusation, especially given the rather solid reputation that @Type-IIx has on these forums. If true, this is a quite egregious example of plagiarism:
Also, my mistake, it was not a cease-and-desist letter. I should have been more careful with my words and fact-checked myself before posting; I make no excuse for myself. He was allegedly directly called out and told to remove the plagiarized content, with the accuser's attorney CC'd on the message. If this did indeed cause him to comply with the demand out of fear of legal repercussions, it's essentially an indirect admission of guilt, in my opinion.
Just to reiterate: I cannot verify any of this. If I'm in a court of law, this is dismissed as hearsay, and Kurt is innocent until proven guilty; the burden of proof is on the prosecutor. I'm just saying, it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in him on my end. I make no personal judgement about his character.
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Thanks for expanding further and handling it thoroughly. I will look into this more myself.
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bigMoJo
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Hunan,
Would you mind confirming if your Tirz 30 matches what I have?
It looks like their recently tested sample is the same batch, but didn't respond to me when I asked about the manuf. date.
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What are the "manufactured dates" for these tested vials of Tirz 20, Tirz 30, and Tirz 60?
It looks like the Tirz 30 is similar/same batch in December... I picked up a few kits with "Mfg: Dec12.2024." The orange color top in the Jano test photo matches...
bigMoJo
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I agree with everything in your previous posts. He's intelligent, but maybe "lazy" is how I would describe his work.
Yes, "poor quality." I read his GH book. I'd be embarrassed to put together gibbly-garble like that. I feel it was a big waste of time and money. And if I were to guess, his intent was to push out worthless content strictly to take advantage of readers in a growing subject matter.
I don't doubt it. It's what happens when someone just wants to make a quick buck.
I don't know him personally. But, based on his actions, it seems greed has taken hold of the best he has to offer.
It's really tough criticism, but earned from where I see it. Definitely consider buying both books... Kurts GH and Type-IIx's Bolus. I think you'll be disappointed... but at least you can decide for yourself.
xrayphoton13
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These are only my opinions but Kurt is a PhD candidate and until he actually has his doctorate he is not one. Also if you read Kurt's book vs Bolus you will understand how unintelligent the man is. I got that piece of shit at a discount and still want my money back. Kurt's book is garbage that has NOTHING of value in it for a bodybuilder. It will teach you nothing that you haven't already read on the forums. It reads like something I would have written in a few days for an assignment during my undergrad in a class that wasn't my major so I didn't really care all that much. It's a money grab, plain and simple. There are no protocols, no dosing guidelines, no timing guidelines. It's complete shit.
Then go read bolus and you get relevant studies, charts graphs, protocols, how to take it for this goal or that goal, how much to take and whether IM or subq. How to take it with insulin, etc. it's night and day between the two, no joke.
DM me and you can have my copy of Kurt's book
Trenbolonetax
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Kurt and his pal, I forget his name, are kind of morons IMO.
Kurt less of a moron than the “winstrol ruined my peak” guy
Wholeheartedly agree with your comments on the books
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TG or Discord invite please
Droc
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Justin Harris is the most knowledgeable guy that appears on anabolic bodybuilding by far. He has decades of real life experience on himself and working with top athletes. And he's a legit physicist. Everyone else you're kind of wondering if their history is true or highly embellished, Justin's is documented and he's respected in the industry.
Kurt havens is a moron, perfect example of being famous for being famous, guys lucky he got a leg up on some views on yt, changes his mind every other podcast on the topics, guy doesnt even have the stones to make up his own mind about things he just agrees with dean st mart or whoever else is on
bighunanballs
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Yes it doesHunan,
Would you mind confirming if your Tirz 30 matches what I have?
It looks like their recently tested sample is the same batch, but didn't respond to me when I asked about the manuf. date.
@SigmaAudley China Peptide
What are the "manufactured dates" for these tested vials of Tirz 20, Tirz 30, and Tirz 60?
It looks like the Tirz 30 is similar/same batch in December... I picked up a few kits with "Mfg: Dec12.2024." The orange color top in the Jano test photo matches...
bighunanballs
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He sure was combative when John Jewett was on their "round table" though... I guess since Jewett is a fan of masteron and Kurt is at war with Todd Lee lol
aljowa
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The $60 price tag on Kurt's GH book is something that really irks me, and if I recall correctly, I believe I read somewhere that it is only like 100 pages long. You can purchase academic textbooks in that price range. I detest when I come across fitness industry products that are ridiculously overpriced. I think the worst example of this is training programs (more like templates) that people sell for $50-$80. You must have no integrity to actually think you can justify that price point. Greg Nuckols sells his Stronger by Science program bundle for like $10, and it comes with an incredibly in-depth instruction sheet covering every detail of the six templates, pre-loaded spreadsheets, as well as a plethora of customization options that are easy to implement. Most people would have broken that bundle up into ten separate programs for $50 each. Frustrating as hell to see that type of behavior.
This + waiting for anecdotal evidence of how their GH are compared to Q or lobster, then they could become a really good source. Could be the best, tbh.
For now, we dont know whats in their GH and there are close to zero feedback of people that have been through the best GH of this year/last year (lobster, opti, QSC) + they share the exact same pricelist of HYBs : I wont be the guinea pig. Been there, done that.
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