Sleep Aid

[Juicaholic]

I have tried melatonin and sominex with no luck. Any suggestions?

 

[smaretick]

I have tried melatonin and sominex with no luck. Any suggestions?

If melatonin doesn't work for you, you'll probably have to resort to a prescription sleep aid like lunesta or ambien.
You can get a free sample of lunesta, but still have to see a doc:
http://ww2.lunesta.com/sepracor/run...rds&keyword=sleep+aids&matchtype=broad&rd=920

 

[L30]

try Valerian root

 

[chewiechomp]

Valerian has worked really well for me. You can get it at any vitamin store. The instructions on the bottle say take one gel tab before bed. I usually take two. Be warned - the stuff smells like hot cat's ass.

Another option, even tho it may seem strange, is Benadryl. A doctor recommended this to me years ago. At its regular dose, it will make you drowsy, and is relatively safe for use over extended periods. Cheap too. Also, it is not inherently habit forming, like many prescription sleep aids.

I have also had great success with reefer and bourbon, too. Good luck.

 

[dogsoldier]

Have you tried ZMA (zinc, magnesium and B6)? This stuff works for me. GABA also will help your sleep.

 

[zkt]

Try 5HPT AND melantonin. Stay away from the ones BiG Pharma are pushing. Trazadone (25mg) outta do it. Also tends to give you morning wood but possible the hargover effect depending on your baseline dopamine level. Cheap and widely available too. Temazipam is another good one. 15Mg a few times a week wont build up a tolerence. Its a short acting version of valium. Over use can cause dependancy.
Best is exercise and a good attitude.

 

[jasthace]

In caes of emergency get some pain killers with codine the one that works really well Mersyndole.
Other then the Codine it also has Doxylamine.

Doxylamine is a member of the ethanolamine class of antihistamines and has anti-allergy power superior to almost every other antihistamine on the market, with the exception of diphenhydramine (Benadryl).[citation needed] It is also the most effective over-the-counter sedative available in the United States[citation needed], and more sedating than some prescription hypnotics. In a study, it was found that doxylamine succinate is possibly more effective than the barbiturate phenobarbital for use as a sedative.[citation needed] For this reason, doxylamine has sometimes been used off label in a manner similar to diphenhydramine for the reduction of anxiety symptoms.

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My wife gets wicked migraines these put her out nicely.
Take 2 and hour before you want to go sleepy nynys.

As zkt mentioned, 5-htp is a good natural substance, I know it is really good for helping production of Serotone levels in the brain for relaxation and less frequent head aches.
I think it may be a natural MOA 2 inhibitor

SEROTONE 5HTP -- 5HTP. Higher Nature Serotone 5 HTP 50mg, 30 Capsules. Amino acid. Support for Serenity. Mind, mood, sleep, depression.

This natural amino acid, called Serotone 5HTP, may help maintain a balanced outlook and a relaxed approach to life. It works by increasing the level of serotonin in the brain, a substance which helps modulate mood and sleep.

Serotone provides the amino acid 5 HTP, the natural precursor of serotin from a West African herb, Griffonia simplicifolia, plus the vitamins and minerals needed to convert it into serotonin.

 

[jasthace]

In Case of emergency get some pain killers with codeine one that works really well Mersyndole.
Other than the Codeine it also has Doxylamine.

Doxylamine is a member of the ethanolamine class of antihistamines and has anti-allergy power superior to almost every other antihistamine on the market, with the exception of diphenhydramine (Benadryl).[citation needed] It is also the most effective over-the-counter sedative available in the United States[citation needed], and more sedating than some prescription hypnotics. In a study, it was found that doxylamine succinate is possibly more effective than the barbiturate phenobarbital for use as a sedative.[citation needed] For this reason, doxylamine has sometimes been used off label in a manner similar to diphenhydramine for the reduction of anxiety symptoms.

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My wife gets wicked migraines these put her out nicely.
Take 2 an hour before you want to go sleepy nynys.

As zkt mentioned, 5-htp is a good natural substance, I know it is really good for helping production of Serotone levels in the brain for relaxation and less frequent head aches.
I think it may be a natural MAO 2 inhibitor

SEROTONE 5HTP -- 5HTP. Higher Nature Serotone 5 HTP 50mg, 30 Capsules. Amino acid. Support for Serenity. Mind, mood, sleep, depression.

This natural amino acid, called Serotone 5HTP, may help maintain a balanced outlook and a relaxed approach to life. It works by increasing the level of serotonin in the brain, a substance which helps modulate mood and sleep.

Serotone provides the amino acid 5 HTP, the natural precursor of serotin from a West African herb, Griffonia simplicifolia, plus the vitamins and minerals needed to convert it into serotonin.

MAO inhibitors (monoamine oxidase inhibitors) were the first antidepressant drugs invented. While they are quite effective, they can be dangerous if combined with the wrong foods, drugs, or supplements. The substance tyramine, found in some cheeses, beer, fermented soy products, and other foods, is particularly dangerous to combine with these medications. Stimulant drugs such as pseudoephedrine can also cause problems.

Antidepressants in this family include furazolidone (Furoxone), isocarboxazid (Marplan), phenelzine sulfate (Nardil), and tranylcypromine sulfate (Parnate) among others.




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Ephedra

Dangerous Interaction

Because it contains the stimulant ephedrine, combining the herb ephedra with MAO inhibitors can rapidly produce a severe, dangerous interaction and must be avoided. 1


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Scotch BroomDangerous Interaction

The herb scotch broom contains high levels of tyramine, so it should not be taken with MAO inhibitors. 2


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Green Tea

Probable Dangerous Interaction

Because it contains caffeine, green tea should not be combined with MAO inhibitors.


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Ginseng

Possible Dangerous Interaction

According to one report, the combination of ginseng and the MAO inhibitor phenelzine caused worrisome symptoms. 3 While this may have been due to caffeine contamination of the ginseng, we would recommend that you avoid ginseng–MAO inhibitor combinations at this time.


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St. John's Wort

Possible Dangerous Interaction

Current thinking suggests that St. John's wort functions somewhat similarly to SSRI (selective serotonin-reuptake inhibitor) antidepressants. Since SSRIs should not be combined with MAO inhibitors, this herb probably should not be combined either.


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5-HTP (5-Hydroxytryptophan) , SAMe (S-Adenosylmethionine)

Possible Dangerous Interactions

Based on one case report 4 and current thinking on how they work, SAMe (S-adenosylmethionine) and 5-HTP should not be combined with MAO inhibitors.


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References

1. Tatro D (ed.). Drug interaction facts. St. Louis, MO: Facts and Comparisons, 1999: 1037.

2. Brinker F. Interactions of pharmaceutical and botanical medicines. J Naturopathic Med 7(2): 14–20, 1997.

3. Jones BD and Runikis AM. Interaction of ginseng with phenelzine. J Clin Psychopharmacol 7: 201–202, 1987.

4. Iruela LM, et al. Toxic interaction of S-adenosylmethionine and clomipramine. Am J Psych 150: 522, 1993.

Last reviewed March 2002 by EBSCO CAM Review Board

All EBSCO Publishing proprietary, consumer health and medical information found on this site is accredited by URAC. URAC's Health Web Site Accreditation Program requires compliance with 53 rigorous standards of quality and accountability, verified by independent audits.

 

[Norway87]

Good stuff:
somidren-gh
Xanaxs
Lights Out

5-HTP
ZMA
GABA
Valerian Root
Typtophan
Shut-Eye
IBE X-dream
Nimbus ABYSS
Benadryl


Bad:
Scivation Knockout
Reduction PM
Sominex

 

[sportsclub]

I second the benadryl my OB told me to take that when I was prego so is totally safe to use nightly. the Schiff Melatonin Plus has helped me get to sleep too but I had to change my whole nightly routine to get tired enough to get to sleep. I have had sleep problems for the last 10yrs and didnt want to move on to sleep Rx. (Tip:dont watch anything funny b4 trying to turn in-seems silly but is so true)

 

[zkt]

In Case of emergency get some pain killers with codeine one that works really well Mersyndole.
Other than the Codeine it also has Doxylamine.

Doxylamine is a member of the ethanolamine class of antihistamines and has anti-allergy power superior to almost every other antihistamine on the market, with the exception of diphenhydramine (Benadryl).[citation needed] It is also the most effective over-the-counter sedative available in the United States[citation needed], and more sedating than some prescription hypnotics. In a study, it was found that doxylamine succinate is possibly more effective than the barbiturate phenobarbital for use as a sedative.[citation needed] For this reason, doxylamine has sometimes been used off label in a manner similar to diphenhydramine for the reduction of anxiety symptoms.

Doxylamine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


My wife gets wicked migraines these put her out nicely.
Take 2 an hour before you want to go sleepy nynys.

As zkt mentioned, 5-htp is a good natural substance, I know it is really good for helping production of Serotone levels in the brain for relaxation and less frequent head aches.
I think it may be a natural MAO 2 inhibitor

SEROTONE 5HTP -- 5HTP. Higher Nature Serotone 5 HTP 50mg, 30 Capsules. Amino acid. Support for Serenity. Mind, mood, sleep, depression.

This natural amino acid, called Serotone 5HTP, may help maintain a balanced outlook and a relaxed approach to life. It works by increasing the level of serotonin in the brain, a substance which helps modulate mood and sleep.

Serotone provides the amino acid 5 HTP, the natural precursor of serotin from a West African herb, Griffonia simplicifolia, plus the vitamins and minerals needed to convert it into serotonin.

MAO inhibitors (monoamine oxidase inhibitors) were the first antidepressant drugs invented. While they are quite effective, they can be dangerous if combined with the wrong foods, drugs, or supplements. The substance tyramine, found in some cheeses, beer, fermented soy products, and other foods, is particularly dangerous to combine with these medications. Stimulant drugs such as pseudoephedrine can also cause problems.

Antidepressants in this family include furazolidone (Furoxone), isocarboxazid (Marplan), phenelzine sulfate (Nardil), and tranylcypromine sulfate (Parnate) among others.




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Ephedra

Dangerous Interaction

Because it contains the stimulant ephedrine, combining the herb ephedra with MAO inhibitors can rapidly produce a severe, dangerous interaction and must be avoided. 1


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Scotch BroomDangerous Interaction

The herb scotch broom contains high levels of tyramine, so it should not be taken with MAO inhibitors. 2


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Green Tea

Probable Dangerous Interaction

Because it contains caffeine, green tea should not be combined with MAO inhibitors.


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Ginseng

Possible Dangerous Interaction

According to one report, the combination of ginseng and the MAO inhibitor phenelzine caused worrisome symptoms. 3 While this may have been due to caffeine contamination of the ginseng, we would recommend that you avoid ginseng–MAO inhibitor combinations at this time.


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St. John's Wort

Possible Dangerous Interaction

Current thinking suggests that St. John's wort functions somewhat similarly to SSRI (selective serotonin-reuptake inhibitor) antidepressants. Since SSRIs should not be combined with MAO inhibitors, this herb probably should not be combined either.


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5-HTP (5-Hydroxytryptophan) , SAMe (S-Adenosylmethionine)

Possible Dangerous Interactions

Based on one case report 4 and current thinking on how they work, SAMe (S-adenosylmethionine) and 5-HTP should not be combined with MAO inhibitors.


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References

1. Tatro D (ed.). Drug interaction facts. St. Louis, MO: Facts and Comparisons, 1999: 1037.

2. Brinker F. Interactions of pharmaceutical and botanical medicines. J Naturopathic Med 7(2): 14–20, 1997.

3. Jones BD and Runikis AM. Interaction of ginseng with phenelzine. J Clin Psychopharmacol 7: 201–202, 1987.

4. Iruela LM, et al. Toxic interaction of S-adenosylmethionine and clomipramine. Am J Psych 150: 522, 1993.

Last reviewed March 2002 by EBSCO CAM Review Board

All EBSCO Publishing proprietary, consumer health and medical information found on this site is accredited by URAC. URAC's Health Web Site Accreditation Program requires compliance with 53 rigorous standards of quality and accountability, verified by independent audits.

Clearly you have been around for a while and are extremely well informed. Dont know where you have been lately but sure glad you are back. Posts with footnotes are rare around here and a refreshing change from, how to word this; parroting back what has been reiterated repeatedly.
But back to the original topic: personally I use and recommend temazepam titrated to the individual`s needs and specific state on any particular night. The practice of prescribing either 15 or 30 mg independant of individual particulars, especially body weight, is typical of the prarmaceutical-medical industry for profit mentality.
Additionally, if the taste isnt prohibitive disolve the drug under the tongue- much faster- consider nitroglycerine use for angina, for example.
There was in interesting lecture on UCTV concerning the long term use of sleep aids, most are benzodiazipines or derivates, as is temazepam, and life expectancy. A good days work and peace of mind seem to be the best
treatment.
LMFAO
Just realized that I am the one who hasnt been around- I normally post in the Mens Health forum

 

[Grizzly]

I took some advil PM last night and they knocked me the fuck out!!!! Like, dead to the world kind of knocked out.

Of course, I did wash them down with a bunch of beer, but still....

 

[wrstlr4life]

nyquil has always been my ticket to a good nights sleep

 

[BBC3]

Try 5HPT AND melantonin. Stay away from the ones BiG Pharma are pushing. Trazadone (25mg) outta do it. Also tends to give you morning wood but possible the hargover effect depending on your baseline dopamine level. Cheap and widely available too. Temazipam is another good one. 15Mg a few times a week wont build up a tolerence. Its a short acting version of valium. Over use can cause dependancy.
Best is exercise and a good attitude.

I second this one. I have to say trazadone is pretty damn good. The prescribing info will scare the shit out of you, but it is really harmless ot those doses. It is nice added to melatonin. Most rehab places use that combo. If you want to try just advise your doctor that you are having trouble sleeping without a six pack and you shall receive. And yes, you will wake up with a fat log dangling. Its kinda nice. I dont really think that effect ever diminishes. You just get used to it and take it for granted.

Further, first wake up after trazadone and you will remember what it was like to wake up when you were a young child. AND it will not leave you feeling like you were hit by a semi truck like benedryl does. Dont mix with prozac.

 

[zkt]

I just switched from the benzo Temazepam back to Trazodone. Benzos are better used ocassionally for PE. Too much kills the erection as effectively as frequent opiates useage. What doseage Trazadone and melatonin are you taking and what was your starting doseage?

 

[andysutils]

melatonin knocks me out fine, take 3mg, i use to take a lot more than that and suprisingly it actually seems to prevent me from sleeping but 3mg seems to be spot on.

 

[BBC3]

I just switched from the benzo Temazepam back to Trazodone. Benzos are better used ocassionally for PE. Too much kills the erection as effectively as frequent opiates useage. What doseage Trazadone and melatonin are you taking and what was your starting doseage?

I try to stay away from benzos as much as possible as the rebound is a guaranteed moment of pissed off ed'ness. I started on a 50mg dose of trazadone. It felt like I was swallowed up in a hole. I mean I shut down. I go cold and started shivering and was paranoid about breathing, etc., when going down. I later read that Prozac is known to have this interaction with it. This is hard to find in writing, but it is out there, and none of the asshole docs know it. Anyway, I have worked up to 150mgs does great. I get up by 7am and feel good all day. It does take a tiny bit of climatization. I have a friend who is up to 225 to sleep. just seems to be his number. I think a layoff of about 2 months totally resets any possible tolerance very well. I have read that most do not even develop a tolerance. Food helps to deliver it quickly. A beer too.

 

[JASS92]

I will actually cycle GHB. I tend not to get problems with falling asleep, and this of course aids with that. It also has the added benefit of releasing increased endogenous levels of HGH from the anterior pituitary during REM sleep.

The shit is downright dangerous in irresponsible hands, but I'll tell you its a miracle neurotransmitter if used correctly.

 

[zkt]

I will actually cycle GHB. I tend not to get problems with falling asleep, and this of course aids with that. It also has the added benefit of releasing increased endogenous levels of HGH from the anterior pituitary during REM sleep.

The shit is downright dangerous in irresponsible hands, but I'll tell you its a miracle neurotransmitter if used correctly.

Unfortunately, Ive never had the opportunity to evaluate it.

 

[zkt]

I try to stay away from benzos as much as possible as the rebound is a guaranteed moment of pissed off ed'ness. I started on a 50mg dose of trazadone. It felt like I was swallowed up in a hole. I mean I shut down. I go cold and started shivering and was paranoid about breathing, etc., when going down. I later read that Prozac is known to have this interaction with it. This is hard to find in writing, but it is out there, and none of the asshole docs know it. Anyway, I have worked up to 150mgs does great. I get up by 7am and feel good all day. It does take a tiny bit of climatization. I have a friend who is up to 225 to sleep. just seems to be his number. I think a layoff of about 2 months totally resets any possible tolerance very well. I have read that most do not even develop a tolerance. Food helps to deliver it quickly. A beer too.

Sounds more like you were going thru opiate withdrawl or maybe benzo than an initial reqction to the trazadone. I have never read that about any of the SSRI`s but never really read any studies of them specificially. Could certainly be true. Different drugs have all kinds of wierd effects on a some very small populations.
Trazadone definitely has a tolerance build up effect in most people. My wife was up 150, like you, and switched to temazepam 30.
Watched a talk on UCTV recently from a DR. who had studied the long term effects of sleeping pill usage. Among other things the users died significantly sooner than the control group.