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[BBC3]

I am never in opiate withdrawal, cause I always have them[)] I am not even sure how hydrocode falls into the "opiate" catagorie. Its the only pain med I use as with my compulsion levels I would be out on a street corner if I ever got a hold of anything stronger. Hydrocodone is a pretty simple pain killer with a 5-bond kick power. Sometimes I think is should be sold over-the-counter. Ibupropen may be a more effective method for easing bone pain. I just cant take it due to stomach issues. You want to talk about a lie put over on society. If anyone who takes drugs in the Advil class for pain ever stops patting their swollen assholes long enough to think about what that habenaro like substance is doing to their circulatory system!?!?!? Just wait till that shit storm washes down.. Studies ALWAYS indicate no physically addictive properties in hydro and that is true. The mechanisms and effects of hydro and well known and documented. Did you know they dont even really know how drugs like oxycodone work on the brain. Apples and oranges. OK off my hydo soap box for now...

Yes the reaction was wierd. No xanax then either. I rarely take that stuff because the rebound is like an unholy possession by Satin himself. All I could think of at the time was that I had been working too hard and it really took me down out of it. Really Adderall was all that I was on around that time and it was just a prescribed and well tolerated dose.

The write up that I found on Trazadone's interaction to Prozac was not classifying this as an SSRI event. They were talking about one of the specific mechanisms of the drug prozac its self.

Sounds more like you were going thru opiate withdrawl or maybe benzo than an initial reqction to the trazadone. I have never read that about any of the SSRI`s but never really read any studies of them specificially. Could certainly be true. Different drugs have all kinds of wierd effects on a some very small populations.
Trazadone definitely has a tolerance build up effect in most people. My wife was up 150, like you, and switched to temazepam 30.
Watched a talk on UCTV recently from a DR. who had studied the long term effects of sleeping pill usage. Among other things the users died significantly sooner than the control group.

 

[zkt]

I am never in opiate withdrawal, cause I always have them[)] I am not even sure how hydrocode falls into the "opiate" catagorie. Its the only pain med I use as with my compulsion levels I would be out on a street corner if I ever got a hold of anything stronger. Hydrocodone is a pretty simple pain killer with a 5-bond kick power. Sometimes I think is should be sold over-the-counter. Ibupropen may be a more effective method for easing bone pain. I just cant take it due to stomach issues. You want to talk about a lie put over on society. If anyone who takes drugs in the Advil class for pain ever stops patting their swollen assholes long enough to think about what that habenaro like substance is doing to their circulatory system!?!?!? Just wait till that shit storm washes down.. Studies ALWAYS indicate no physically addictive properties in hydro and that is true. The mechanisms and effects of hydro and well known and documented. Did you know they dont even really know how drugs like oxycodone work on the brain. Apples and oranges. OK off my hydo soap box for now...

Yes the reaction was wierd. No xanax then either. I rarely take that stuff because the rebound is like an unholy possession by Satin himself. All I could think of at the time was that I had been working too hard and it really took me down out of it. Really Adderall was all that I was on around that time and it was just a prescribed and well tolerated dose.

The write up that I found on Trazadone's interaction to Prozac was not classifying this as an SSRI event. They were talking about one of the specific mechanisms of the drug prozac its self.

LOl. Saw a sign in a bar a long time ago: Avoid hangovers- Stay Drunk
It worked for me for several years. Not passing judgement on you. I dont care what anyone does if they dont try to so it to me. But I cant sit quietly while you cast evil implication on Habaneros ! I just cooked up some chicken with onions, garlic, oregano, basil and half a 500,000 Scoville unit red one- seeds, veins and all. Wife and I eat em all the time. The active chemical stimulates the same neural receptor as HC or any other opiate. Not to the same degree as HC, OC, or morphine- but noticibly after the initail pain subsides.
Beg to differ on the addictive properties on the basic of personal experience alone if nothing else. Been addicted to HC- stopped it- a few very bad weeks- remember it well. The same can be said for tramadol. Several times in the past I used it for PE issues. It works well for. Every time I ended up taking it every day. Withdrawl was about the same as HC- Chills-anxiety-iritability-couldnt lie still at night-insomnia. A real bitch for 2 weeks. Then quickly tapers off.
The real danger of long term NSAIDs(Advil) is renal damage. kidney disease is on the increase and doesnt show any signs or symptoms until it is quite advanced. NSAIDs are cleared by the kidneys,taking frequent large amounts coupled with an undiagnosed decreased kidney function spells early renal failure.

 

[lastchance]

GHB is a miracle while on large doses of ASS. If you can find it, it is the way to go!

 

[JASS92]

I am never in opiate withdrawal, cause I always have them[)] I am not even sure how hydrocode falls into the "opiate" catagorie. Its the only pain med I use as with my compulsion levels I would be out on a street corner if I ever got a hold of anything stronger. Hydrocodone is a pretty simple pain killer with a 5-bond kick power. Sometimes I think is should be sold over-the-counter. Ibupropen may be a more effective method for easing bone pain. I just cant take it due to stomach issues. You want to talk about a lie put over on society. If anyone who takes drugs in the Advil class for pain ever stops patting their swollen assholes long enough to think about what that habenaro like substance is doing to their circulatory system!?!?!? Just wait till that shit storm washes down.. Studies ALWAYS indicate no physically addictive properties in hydro and that is true. The mechanisms and effects of hydro and well known and documented. Did you know they dont even really know how drugs like oxycodone work on the brain. Apples and oranges. OK off my hydo soap box for now...

Yes the reaction was wierd. No xanax then either. I rarely take that stuff because the rebound is like an unholy possession by Satin himself. All I could think of at the time was that I had been working too hard and it really took me down out of it. Really Adderall was all that I was on around that time and it was just a prescribed and well tolerated dose.

The write up that I found on Trazadone's interaction to Prozac was not classifying this as an SSRI event. They were talking about one of the specific mechanisms of the drug prozac its self.

Dude, you are so misinformed its unbelievable. Hydrocodone IS a narcotic analgesic. It WILL lead to physical dependence and withdrawals. To an extent we do know the mechanism for its action in the brain. Maybe its time to come to the realization that polydrug abuse is not the way to go.

 

[zkt]

GHB is a miracle while on large doses of ASS. If you can find it, it is the way to go!

Excellent info from Wiki as usual:
gamma-Hydroxybutyric acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[BBC3]

Dude, you are so misinformed its unbelievable. Hydrocodone IS a narcotic analgesic. It WILL lead to physical dependence and withdrawals. To an extent we do know the mechanism for its action in the brain. Maybe its time to come to the realization that polydrug abuse is not the way to go.

OK Relax, I am merely pointing out that in comparison to the stronger narcotics, oxy (tylox), demerol, perc, etc. Hydrocodone is the baby. AND NO, hydrocodone is NOT physically addictive. Study after study now has proven. While this is not to say that hydrocodone may seem very addictive in the tiny little mind of a drug addicted fool, it is not. Hydrocodone IS THE ONLY ONE OF THESE that they do know what it does to the brain. For those that have abused hydrocodone while abusing a stronger narcotic, they may have indeed created some physical confusion in their body. Hence the term you used, "polydrug". Otherwise, you will not be whoring yur ass on a street corner, or stealing from your friends to support the habit when you are out. You will simply call your doc and get more. The lack of physically addictive properties is exactly the reason he can prescribe it for you, or is willing to. The idiotic lawsuits started by fools looking for something they are not entitled to, are the only thing creating problems for hydrocodone today.

Judging by your strong response you may not have tried on known the difference in the drugs you took, if you have even taken them at all. When a bottle of tylox is gone, you feel a hole in your stomach and wonder how the hell you are get some more. When a bottle of hydrocodone is gone you simply think, damn, now I'm gonna have to deal with a little pain again.

 

[rvpa1]

Just in case anyone is interested, after many trials of lots of the stuff listed in this thread, I've found the combination of the following to be fantastic for great sleep and minimal hangover. And to boot, it has eliminated my dysthymia and kept nasty overnight allergy symptoms at bay (esp when the windows are open for fresh air)!

200 mg 5 HTP
+
6 mg doxylamine (approximately 1/4 of 25 mg tablet)

 

[Jeton]

i get good results from Mirtazipine (Remeron)..you have to take 15mg or less, as higher doses actually produce a stimulant effect...but it's as strong as Trazodone without as many side fx. after a week or two i develop increasing tolerance to it, so i save it for those times when i'm sleep-deprived and really need to catch up. it's a fukn HAMMER. no wooziness, no cloudiness...just the weight of several planets slowly coming to rest on your shoulders. i find myself drowsy and sleeping well into the next day on 7.5 mg.

i'd much rather take that than any of the hypnotics like Ambien/Lunesta...those drugs can make u into a fully sleepwalking maniac if u dont go right to bed, with reports of people sleep-driving down the highway in the wrong direction, etc.

hi-potency Kava formulations have knocked me onto my mattress, but tolerance is rapid and ur also loopy...Valerian and Melatonin have never done jack for me, regardless of dosage. Benadryl/Sominex (diphenhydramine hydrochloride or d. citrate) used to work for me years ago, but now i take that twice a day for rashes that come from my other meds, so benadryl does diddly sleepwise 4 me now.

 

[MARSOC]

valium.

one of my sources sell it......nothings better.

 

[StrongandFit]

Melatonin and ZMA works pretty well for me. If neither is helping you may have to consider something prescribed by the doctor.