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[Wunderpus]

Do you feel like you gained an edge or grew anything extra using the synthol? If you have your conclusion in the log I can find it if you don't care to explain.

It is hard to quantify, to be honest, so I feel A BIT uncomfortable answering solely on "feelings". But, my arms grew, no doubt whatsoever. Also, they haven't gotten any smaller after months of discontinuation... Now, obviously this could just be due to pure hypertrophy from food, training, etc., right? Also, it could be solely from the SEO... My guess is it's both.

Now, it is beyond important to note, my bicep tore while using SEO. My doctor is convinced it is from SEO... But, of course he will look to blame something like that, so, who really knows? The fact of the matter is, the Syntherol/BigA SEO protocol they suggest, and I ran, is ludicrous. It's impractical and reckless to shoot 6cc's/day into each bicep, and 3 into each tricep, as the recommend. I did it for maybe 2 weeks, and literally couldn't continue to do it mentally, or physically.

I do believe a more mild approach, that which people like Dave Palumbo and Chris Aceto condone, is a good and generally "safe" practice. I have done that method prior, and felt great, and also felt like I retained most of the results from it.

I wouldn't recommend SEO usage to anyone. But, if you are already SET on doing it, go with Palumbo's suggestion... It felt fine to me, and didn't cause any sort of overwhelming discomfort or training hindrances that the Syntherol protocol did.

 

[Sworder]

It is hard to quantify, to be honest, so I feel A BIT uncomfortable answering solely on "feelings". But, my arms grew, no doubt whatsoever. Also, they haven't gotten any smaller after months of discontinuation... Now, obviously this could just be due to pure hypertrophy from food, training, etc., right? Also, it could be solely from the SEO... My guess is it's both.

Now, it is beyond important to note, my bicep tore while using SEO. My doctor is convinced it is from SEO... But, of course he will look to blame something like that, so, who really knows? The fact of the matter is, the Syntherol/BigA SEO protocol they suggest, and I ran, is ludicrous. It's impractical and reckless to shoot 6cc's/day into each bicep, and 3 into each tricep, as the recommend. I did it for maybe 2 weeks, and literally couldn't continue to do it mentally, or physically.

I do believe a more mild approach, that which people like Dave Palumbo and Chris Aceto condone, is a good and generally "safe" practice. I have done that method prior, and felt great, and also felt like I retained most of the results from it.

I wouldn't recommend SEO usage to anyone. But, if you are already SET on doing it, go with Palumbo's suggestion... It felt fine to me, and didn't cause any sort of overwhelming discomfort or training hindrances that the Syntherol protocol did.

Injecting regular AAS into my biceps/triceps usually make them swell an inch, I would be fine with that.

Yeah sounds like the tear was due to the SEO unless it was a extremely heavy first set that you did with a fast jerking motion and even then the SEO could have played a major part. Tsk Tsk, if you had only listened to me back then ;D

 

[Wunderpus]

Injecting regular AAS into my biceps/triceps usually make them swell an inch, I would be fine with that.

Yeah sounds like the tear was due to the SEO unless it was a extremely heavy first set that you did with a fast jerking motion and even then the SEO could have played a major part. Tsk Tsk, if you had only listened to me back then ;D

Well, again, there's no way to KNOW it was due to the SEO. But, my doc actually believed it was likely due to the "damage" from the (2) 23g needles stabbing each bicep daily before training them, in conjunction with the already swollen muscle from oil and inflammation + heavy weights. Perfect storm to tear a muscle, for sure. But, it wasn't the weights, I was only doing like 25lb seated DB curls. Overall it was a very, very, shitty experience that I wouldn't recommend. I don't mind admitting that I did things that maybe weren't the brightest, but, I never considered it could lead to a muscle tear, nor did you from what I recall. I believe, if I recall correctly, you just implied there would be no muscle growth as a result, never that there was risk of injury... Could be remembering incorrectly.

I believe site injections of AAS is pretty safe, generally speaking. That is what I would suggest to someone who is interested in SEO, as it is a 2-for-1 so to speak if you're also running gear (less overall pinning).... But, biceps and AAS are a painful combo for most users, even long estered compounds hurt a lot in biceps... I would suggest users buy a bottle of Painless Pumps to add just a bit to each shot, it'll help a lot with the pain.

I've never had my arm gain an inch in from an AAS site injection, I wish! Even if it WAS temporary, bet your ASS I'd just pin my arms, haha. But, again, biceps hurt... but I do think site-injections work (in terms of site specific hypertrophy) when done properly. The most "profound" AAS for me was winstrol depot... It appeared to make my arms and delts grow at almost an unreal rate.

 

[MindlessWork]

This was months ago. I haven't even used SEO in months now, not since I had the bicep tear. He first popped up on my log to comment on synthol/SEO back then. He came back this time to comment on insulin/hGH.

Oh my bad and meant no offense but I had to say something because Sworder had to post something that seemed backhanded.

 

[jaymaximus]

There's only a few threads we consider "sacred" where there's no trolling.

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@Sworder it would be one thing if you were asking questions that are constructive, but it's obvious you came in here to start something from your post.

And its funny that you claim to have intelligent conversations when the first thing you fall back on is "circle jerk crew". Which, as smart as you THINK you are, is a corny ass insult to use over and over.

You say over and over again that Meso has gone downhill, the good members are gone, blah blah blah...but you still keep coming back. Why?

Life can't be as good as you pretend for it to be if you come to a place you dislike, with people you dislike, and people who dislike you.

 

[Mr.B66]

There's only a few threads we consider "sacred" where there's are no trolling.

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@Sworder it would be one thing if you were asking questions that are constructive, but it's obvious you came in here to start something from your post.

And its funny that you claim to have intelligent conversations when the first thing you fall back on is "circle jerk crew". Which, as smart as you THINK you are, is a corny ass insult to use over and over.

You say over and over again that Meso has gone downhill, the good members are gone, blah blah blah...but you still keep coming back. Why?

Life can't be as good as you pretend for it to be if you come to a place you dislike, with people you dislike, and people who dislike you.

And lets see your ladies !
Ok, carry on [emoji4]

 

[brutus79]

There's only a few threads we consider "sacred" where there's are no trolling.

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@Sworder it would be one thing if you were asking questions that are constructive, but it's obvious you came in here to start something from your post.

And its funny that you claim to have intelligent conversations when the first thing you fall back on is "circle jerk crew". Which, as smart as you THINK you are, is a corny ass insult to use over and over.

You say over and over again that Meso has gone downhill, the good members are gone, blah blah blah...but you still keep coming back. Why?

Life can't be as good as you pretend for it to be if you come to a place you dislike, with people you dislike, and people who dislike you.

Sworder loved meso when he got cycles in exchange for reviews. Prior to 2013 biologic/Hercules debacles it was standard practice for the veterans to grab a cycle, run the gear, post the results and jump start the lab. Totally cool- I think the bio thread started with mands running a dickload of primo from stretch... after bio started rampant underdosing of gear, pep really fucked a ton of people (I got stiffed for a grand- straight oil) and it traced back to guys who were touting the gear (I think it was fit2beking and that other dude I can't remember) members decided it wasn't the way anymore. Regardless of the intent of the vets the trust was eventually exploited and people tried to come up with a source code of conduct and denounced the free sample technique.
Sworder came back in the midst of all this well intentioned bullshit and got seriously miffed he couldn't get free gear.... he trolled everyone in his broke butthurt and disappeared for a bit. He popped back up during the granabolic scam fiesta and started trashing labmax, bloodwork- pretty much anything involved with anyone that took part in anything that cut off what was a source of free shit for him- meso! He has pretty much been a troll ever since. He is also pretentious for having been self taught- he came in here at a third grade understanding of aas, read anabolics and a bunch of board threads and now acts like he has a phd. I learned much the same way and I am sure many have- that's why I try to be a bit less condescending in my posts with newbies... and merciless to guys like him that have gear and information- but never got big. Why does someone take gear to do what could be done without It? I don't get it.
As an aside manwhore is friends with stretch and was involved with all that- another guy butthurt by the "circle jerk crew" which is code for a group of guys who fucked up the free lunch he had going here. Manwhore was fucking people in large numbers while sworder was just shaking down sources, but they are troll bitches for essentially the same reason- they lost their gear welfare and lost the genetic lottery.
I am not proofreading this so suck it

 

[Sworder]

Sworder came back in the midst of all this well intentioned bullshit and got seriously miffed he couldn't get free gear.... he trolled everyone in his broke butthurt and disappeared for a bit. He popped back up during the granabolic scam fiesta and started trashing labmax, bloodwork- pretty much anything involved with anyone that took part in anything that cut off what was a source of free shit for him- meso! He has pretty much been a troll ever since. He is also pretentious for having been self taught- he came in here at a third grade understanding of aas, read anabolics and a bunch of board threads and now acts like he has a phd. I learned much the same way and I am sure many have- that's why I try to be a bit less condescending in my posts with newbies... and merciless to guys like him that have gear and information- but never got big. Why does someone take gear to do what could be done without It? I don't get it.
As an aside manwhore is friends with stretch and was involved with all that- another guy butthurt by the "circle jerk crew" which is code for a group of guys who fucked up the free lunch he had going here. Manwhore was fucking people in large numbers while sworder was just shaking down sources, but they are troll bitches for essentially the same reason- they lost their gear welfare and lost the genetic lottery.
I am not proofreading this so suck it

I got some free gear, haven't looked for gear since I should be set for life. I don't blast and haven't done so in a long time, I got to a comfortable weight and at the moment I am not focusing on building more muscle. Right now I am losing maybe 5-10 pounds to get shredded and at 195 I like the way I look. I have spent balancing my body out, larger arms/calves.

No need to lump me in with anybody else as if there is some crew going. The circle jerk crew is a bunch of faggots that let each other do stupid fucking shit and don't interject because they are busy cock stroking. I think DocD was the main person that told Wunder not to do the synthol but Wunder ignored the advice. And keep in mind Wunder is on a forum where the more brains the smarter ones choices should be but you guys let him rip his bicep. So much for helping people out..
I am winning in life believe it or not. I have never been in a better spot and never could have imagined I would be here so again exclude me from other people and if you want to discuss myself individually feel free to do so.

I loved Meso when it was a place where intelligent to debate. Where threads stayed on topic and didn't resort to solely personal attacks. I do like throwing a jab in with my messages but I am typically on topic until somebody else derails.

Trolling to me, is when you are mainly saying things for a reaction and representing something you know is false just to get response. You guys take "trolling" as disagreeing or questioning something.

 

[Sworder]

I've never had my arm gain an inch in from an AAS site injection, I wish! Even if it WAS temporary, bet your ASS I'd just pin my arms, haha. But, again, biceps hurt... but I do think site-injections work (in terms of site specific hypertrophy) when done properly. The most "profound" AAS for me was winstrol depot... It appeared to make my arms and delts grow at almost an unreal rate.

Injecting a ml in the bicep and 2 ml in the tricep should for sure swell it half an inch.
Site specific growth has been argued many times and the simplest way to think about it is: "why don't body builders have disproportionate glutes from injections?" Keep in mind testosterone has a half life of about 2-4 hours and is carried around by your circulation.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

insulin is shit and gives you a big gut

Ahhhh i see. Trolling

Trolling to me, is when you are mainly saying things for a reaction and representing something you know is false just to get response. You guys take "trolling" as disagreeing or questioning something.

 

[Wunderpus]

Injecting a ml in the bicep and 2 ml in the tricep should for sure swell it half an inch.
Site specific growth has been argued many times and the simplest way to think about it is: "why don't body builders have disproportionate glutes from injections?" Keep in mind testosterone has a half life of about 2-4 hours and is carried around by your circulation.

Well, I think it should be important to note I don't know one high level body builder that exclusively shoots glutes... I too, have thought about this... But, there are some undeniable experiences we can have, even if we don't know the exact method in which they ARE working... Site injections have worked for me....

 

[Sworder]

Well, I think it should be important to note I don't know one high level body builder that exclusively shoots glutes... I too, have thought about this... But, there are some undeniable experiences we can have, even if we don't know the exact method in which they ARE working... Site injections have worked for me....

Is your left arm the same exact size as your right?

 

[Wunderpus]

Is your left arm the same exact size as your right?

No, my left arm is a bit smaller... Why?

 

[Sworder]

No, my left arm is a bit smaller... Why?

Why wouldn't you inject more in that arm more often to even it out if your theory worked?

 

[Wunderpus]

Why wouldn't you inject more in that arm more often to even it out if your theory worked?

That was part of the idea, down the road, however I wanted to try growing them as a whole, first... That's when the injury happened so no further experimenting took place.

 

[Mr.B66]

I got some free gear, haven't looked for gear since I should be set for life. I don't blast and haven't done so in a long time, I got to a comfortable weight and at the moment I am not focusing on building more muscle. Right now I am losing maybe 5-10 pounds to get shredded and at 195 I like the way I look. I have spent balancing my body out, larger arms/calves.

No need to lump me in with anybody else as if there is some crew going. The circle jerk crew is a bunch of faggots that let each other do stupid fucking shit and don't interject because they are busy cock stroking. I think DocD was the main person that told Wunder not to do the synthol but Wunder ignored the advice. And keep in mind Wunder is on a forum where the more brains the smarter ones choices should be but you guys let him rip his bicep. So much for helping people out..
I am winning in life believe it or not. I have never been in a better spot and never could have imagined I would be here so again exclude me from other people and if you want to discuss myself individually feel free to do so.

I loved Meso when it was a place where intelligent to debate. Where threads stayed on topic and didn't resort to solely personal attacks. I do like throwing a jab in with my messages but I am typically on topic until somebody else derails.

Trolling to me, is when you are mainly saying things for a reaction and representing something you know is false just to get response. You guys take "trolling" as disagreeing or questioning something.

Ive noticed that you have said there aren't any intelligent members here anymore, I have to disagree. Still plenty of intelligent members here, in fact you were debating one of the more knowledgable individuals ive seen here in a while. @ChestRockwell obviously knows his shit when it comes to aas, growth, slin and im betting anything related to this lifestyle. And of course there are several others that have been here for a while , they just dont post as much as before but they do pop in from time to time. I could try and name them but i would undoubtedly forget half of them, plus im on my first cup o coffee and my brain aint ready for such a task.

 

[Sworder]

Ive noticed that you have said there aren't any intelligent members here anymore, I have to disagree. Still plenty of intelligent members here, in fact you were debating one of the more knowledgable individuals ive seen here in a while. @ChestRockwell obviously knows his shit when it comes to aas, growth, slin and im betting anything related to this lifestyle. And of course there are several others that have been here for a while , they just dont post as much as before but they do pop in from time to time. I could try and name them but i would undoubtedly forget half of them, plus im on my first cup o coffee and my brain aint ready for such a task.

Speaking generally yes, why are you guys so literal?
I try not to make statements which include, all, nobody, always or never. There are exceptions and it would be foolish of me to include everybody.
If I would say that men are stronger than women y'all would argue that your cousin's wife is stronger than some dude...
IDK haven't spoken to him much, he left the debate without explaining himself on a topic.

 

[jaymaximus]

Leave this BS out of this log please. @Sworder we can easily go to your log and fuck it up. Not that anyone would notice since no one comments on it or reads it.

 

[Sworder]

Leave this BS out of this log please. @Sworder we can easily go to your log and fuck it up. Not that anyone would notice since no one comments on it or reads it.

Why does it hurt so much to be questioned about a chosen path? Isn't that the greater purpose of a forum? Seemingly as "trolling" means to challenge or question.

"Go to my log and fuck it up," if you have any questions or feel like something is wrong and I need to be doing something better. Go ahead and please do.

 

[Mr.B66]

Speaking generally yes, why are you guys so literal?
I try not to make statements which include, all, nobody, always or never. There are exceptions and it would be foolish of me to include everybody.
If I would say that men are stronger than women y'all would argue that your cousin's wife is stronger than some dude...
IDK haven't spoken to him much, he left the debate without explaining himself on a topic.

Yeah, i guess i did take it literal, thats the thing about internet conversations, often times humor and intent of posts can be mistaken. I struggle with this myself as im more of a face to face kinda cat.