That's just for Me.... that doesn't include the probably 5 meals a week that I don't cook.... no one said it was cheap! I spend more on food than gear + gym I would guess
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Anabolic Steroids
Slicin' and Dicin' into the summer
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But don't you need to get a laundry list of supplements to make gains!?!? Jim Stoppani would kill you!
Okay, what's up guys!?
I hope everyone had a nice weekend, I enjoyed my doughnuts yesterday!
Today marks the beginning of a new week for me, one I am excited about and somewhat less-than-excited about, at the same time.... Carb reduction!
I will be lowering carbs now, with the complex carbs being the in the beginning of the day and fast carbs almost entirely timed around the workout. Also, less intro workout carbs and no carbs closer to bed... Here's today's EXACT plan, enjoy:
I hope everyone had a nice weekend, I enjoyed my doughnuts yesterday!
Today marks the beginning of a new week for me, one I am excited about and somewhat less-than-excited about, at the same time.... Carb reduction!
I will be lowering carbs now, with the complex carbs being the in the beginning of the day and fast carbs almost entirely timed around the workout. Also, less intro workout carbs and no carbs closer to bed... Here's today's EXACT plan, enjoy:
"Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes, turn and face the strain"
Okay, anyway, now that we got the David Bowie lyrics out of the way, let's discuss the meaning of this!
In all aspects of life, we must adapt, and observe. I was unhappy with how quickly I was shrinking (SAY WHAT?!)! Yes, I was losing too much weight (looked like fat and water mostly), too fast, and was looking flat, as fuck. I literally was melting away, without really any cardio. I didn't like that, it wasn't part of my 16 week plan, it would've been fine if this was a 4 week crash diet cut, but this is not. I was actually putting on the weight, in a caloric deficit, with minimal carbs, but my body did not look good, at all. No pumps, etc. So, I did a lot of thinking about what I want to do, and consulted a few friends, one of which is an IFBB pro super heavy weight (maybe he'll see the Olympia stage someday, but Chris Aceto does his programs, so he knows a little bit, I'd say).
I'm going for the "Unicorn Cycle", the one that everyone wants, where you gain muscle and lose fat. Let's see how this is done.... I feel like this might be the way to do it.
Anyway, I'm going to focus on adding lean mass right now, and keeping the cardio up. I'm not fat, by any means. I think the next 2 months will allow me to slowly "grow" into a harder shape. Reminds me a lot of what the older BB'ers used to do, where they'd literally grow into stage shape. Nowadays people get WAY too soft, and cut before a show. I'm learning my body doesn't respond as well to sudden changes, and has a tendency to freak out if I grow, or shrink, too fast. So, here are the changes, my friends:
Drugs:
Still 10iu GH
Tren A - 2100mg's/week (WHAT?!, yes!)
NPP- 700mg's a week (this will allow me to keep adding some hardness, and hopefully not too much soft weight)
Test P- 700mg's/week
Test Enan- 1300mg's/week
------ 2000mg's/week total test
Superdrol- 40mg's/day. This is a whole new drug (Can you believe that?! Something I've never tried?!). I started it on Saturday, and I can already feel, and see it, working. This shit looks like it might be a staple in future cycles already.
Insulin-
Are you kidding? No, seriously I know guys who run insulin up to three weeks prior to their show (check John Meadows Universe Log, for example). So, it can be done, when used wisely and properly. It'll be humalog 10iu pre, and 10iu post workout on my "biggest" days (Legs, arms and back).
T4- Your standard 200mcg's to make up for the GH's lowering of T3 production
IGF-1 LR3- Giving some a try from Maxim. I've been pleased with their other products, and their service has been top notch. I've had mixed experiences with LR3, never run Maxim's (Transformix, maybe a year and a half ago, had SOMETHING crazy in there that blew me the fuck up. Purchase Peptides did squat, nada, nothing).
Mk-677- I've seen plenty of studies now to convince me this is worth trying, and my brother from another mother @fodsod 's bloodwork on the shit was the final piece to get me interested. This stuff is crazy for appetite, it's comparable to GHRP-6, but seems to last ALL day. Seriously, I am never full. That alone makes it worth the $$$.
GHRP-2 and CJC- No Dac- I've used these before, I liked it. It definitely seemed to boost my hunger, and increase my GH "sides" (swollen hands, lethargy, better sleep, nail growth, etc.) The stuff is cheap, and actually seems to work relatively well. This is all anecdotal bro science BS, but, it's worth the $$$ for me, personally.
ECA Stack- 1 upon waking, 1 pre workout
Potential additions:
Masteron Prop: 1000mgs/week. Regardless this will be added, when? I don't know. I will add it when I take out the NPP, I would guess. Also, I just don't know how i feel about using it when I'm not actively "cutting", per say, rather slowly adding lean mass.
Diet:
Well, this is some fucked up shit. I'm gonna eat as much as I can, very few cheats. I'm talking real foods, only, and high calories. I've been doing it since saturday, and feel fine and look harder and leaner than I ever have, so, I'll keep doing this until I add to much fat, if I do. I honestly feel a bit ridiculous eating this much, but we will see how long I can get away with it, no "dirty" bulk for me anymore, just too much work to cut it all down.
The macros (yes, this looks insane, this is an experiment, I know it truly looks retarded, but this has been gone over with a few personal friends and it's seemed to work as long as the timing, drugs and training are in check). I'll back off the overall calories, and the carbs in particular if I gain much fat, I just have no interest in that. I can post the outline of the actual food, and food timing, if you guys are interested.
P: 582 grams
C: 629 grams
Fat: 128 Grams
Total Calories: 5996
Training:
The training is going to be intense, that's why I feel these high macros will be used for rebuilding muscle (also the GH, tren, NPP, test, Superdrol and insulin should help with partitioning). I'll be doing John Meadows The Gauntlet, for the second time. This was BY FAR the most intense program I've ever done, and I feel like I under recovered each time from it... I don't think I ate, or slept enough the first time I did it. Also, I will be doing cardio 3x a week either fasted in the AM, or if need be, post lifting.
Weighing in around 216lbs right now. It's weird, I gained weight will trying to "cut", and looked flatter, but drier. I'm not really SURE what happened, but it wasn't "bad" weight that I put on, just looked kind of shitty from the lack of carbs and probably over training.
The "cut" will resume, probably April 1st and slide into the end of May. So, that's when I'd expect to see clen, t3 and masteron hit the lineup, and the insulin removed. Also, the test will PROBABLY drop, we shall see how soft this test spike makes me. So, I will keep this in the "cut" thread, as it's part of the same journey, just a bit of the detour.
I'm here for you guys with any answers I can provide, and all the love and kisses you want this Valentine's day
Okay, anyway, now that we got the David Bowie lyrics out of the way, let's discuss the meaning of this!
In all aspects of life, we must adapt, and observe. I was unhappy with how quickly I was shrinking (SAY WHAT?!)! Yes, I was losing too much weight (looked like fat and water mostly), too fast, and was looking flat, as fuck. I literally was melting away, without really any cardio. I didn't like that, it wasn't part of my 16 week plan, it would've been fine if this was a 4 week crash diet cut, but this is not. I was actually putting on the weight, in a caloric deficit, with minimal carbs, but my body did not look good, at all. No pumps, etc. So, I did a lot of thinking about what I want to do, and consulted a few friends, one of which is an IFBB pro super heavy weight (maybe he'll see the Olympia stage someday, but Chris Aceto does his programs, so he knows a little bit, I'd say).
I'm going for the "Unicorn Cycle", the one that everyone wants, where you gain muscle and lose fat. Let's see how this is done.... I feel like this might be the way to do it.
Anyway, I'm going to focus on adding lean mass right now, and keeping the cardio up. I'm not fat, by any means. I think the next 2 months will allow me to slowly "grow" into a harder shape. Reminds me a lot of what the older BB'ers used to do, where they'd literally grow into stage shape. Nowadays people get WAY too soft, and cut before a show. I'm learning my body doesn't respond as well to sudden changes, and has a tendency to freak out if I grow, or shrink, too fast. So, here are the changes, my friends:
Drugs:
Still 10iu GH
Tren A - 2100mg's/week (WHAT?!, yes!)
NPP- 700mg's a week (this will allow me to keep adding some hardness, and hopefully not too much soft weight)
Test P- 700mg's/week
Test Enan- 1300mg's/week
------ 2000mg's/week total test
Superdrol- 40mg's/day. This is a whole new drug (Can you believe that?! Something I've never tried?!). I started it on Saturday, and I can already feel, and see it, working. This shit looks like it might be a staple in future cycles already.
Insulin-
Are you kidding? No, seriously I know guys who run insulin up to three weeks prior to their show (check John Meadows Universe Log, for example). So, it can be done, when used wisely and properly. It'll be humalog 10iu pre, and 10iu post workout on my "biggest" days (Legs, arms and back).T4- Your standard 200mcg's to make up for the GH's lowering of T3 production
IGF-1 LR3- Giving some a try from Maxim. I've been pleased with their other products, and their service has been top notch. I've had mixed experiences with LR3, never run Maxim's (Transformix, maybe a year and a half ago, had SOMETHING crazy in there that blew me the fuck up. Purchase Peptides did squat, nada, nothing).
Mk-677- I've seen plenty of studies now to convince me this is worth trying, and my brother from another mother @fodsod 's bloodwork on the shit was the final piece to get me interested. This stuff is crazy for appetite, it's comparable to GHRP-6, but seems to last ALL day. Seriously, I am never full. That alone makes it worth the $$$.
GHRP-2 and CJC- No Dac- I've used these before, I liked it. It definitely seemed to boost my hunger, and increase my GH "sides" (swollen hands, lethargy, better sleep, nail growth, etc.) The stuff is cheap, and actually seems to work relatively well. This is all anecdotal bro science BS, but, it's worth the $$$ for me, personally.
ECA Stack- 1 upon waking, 1 pre workout
Potential additions:
Masteron Prop: 1000mgs/week. Regardless this will be added, when? I don't know. I will add it when I take out the NPP, I would guess. Also, I just don't know how i feel about using it when I'm not actively "cutting", per say, rather slowly adding lean mass.
Diet:
Well, this is some fucked up shit. I'm gonna eat as much as I can, very few cheats. I'm talking real foods, only, and high calories. I've been doing it since saturday, and feel fine and look harder and leaner than I ever have, so, I'll keep doing this until I add to much fat, if I do. I honestly feel a bit ridiculous eating this much, but we will see how long I can get away with it, no "dirty" bulk for me anymore, just too much work to cut it all down.
The macros (yes, this looks insane, this is an experiment, I know it truly looks retarded, but this has been gone over with a few personal friends and it's seemed to work as long as the timing, drugs and training are in check). I'll back off the overall calories, and the carbs in particular if I gain much fat, I just have no interest in that. I can post the outline of the actual food, and food timing, if you guys are interested.
P: 582 grams
C: 629 grams
Fat: 128 Grams
Total Calories: 5996
Training:
The training is going to be intense, that's why I feel these high macros will be used for rebuilding muscle (also the GH, tren, NPP, test, Superdrol and insulin should help with partitioning). I'll be doing John Meadows The Gauntlet, for the second time. This was BY FAR the most intense program I've ever done, and I feel like I under recovered each time from it... I don't think I ate, or slept enough the first time I did it. Also, I will be doing cardio 3x a week either fasted in the AM, or if need be, post lifting.
Weighing in around 216lbs right now. It's weird, I gained weight will trying to "cut", and looked flatter, but drier. I'm not really SURE what happened, but it wasn't "bad" weight that I put on, just looked kind of shitty from the lack of carbs and probably over training.
The "cut" will resume, probably April 1st and slide into the end of May. So, that's when I'd expect to see clen, t3 and masteron hit the lineup, and the insulin removed. Also, the test will PROBABLY drop, we shall see how soft this test spike makes me. So, I will keep this in the "cut" thread, as it's part of the same journey, just a bit of the detour.
I'm here for you guys with any answers I can provide, and all the love and kisses you want this Valentine's day
Woah what's going on? Apparently it's twice u haven't gotten the results u were expecting. Think it might something to so with the new sleeping drugs ur taking?
These are results most people would be happy with, losing fat quickly. It was just TOO fast for my liking, and I planned on cutting for 16 weeks. It wasn't a BAD thing, per say, but just not the direction I was looking to go. I like slow and steady progress, not rapid and almost scary results. I'd rather just take it a bit slower, that's all. This isn't some major failure, it's just about readjusting... If you don't readjust as needed, you will sometimes miss your end target. I've been around long enough to know slow and steady progress is sustainable, looks better, and feels better. Rapid fat and water loss feels like SHIT, especially as far out from my end date as I was.
I drastically underestimated how quickly I would lean out, that's all. I just knew that if I kept going at that rate, I'd start to lose a lot of muscle. I had to pump the breaks on the weight loss.
interesting...
How long have you been lifting?
How much time of that have you been using roids?
How much time of that have you been using roids?
I was around 14 or so when my dad started teaching me how to actually lift weights. I took a few years off, but, there are 10+ years of lifting weights with varying degrees of intensity.
As far as the AAS usage, I started TRT about 6 years ago, it was maybe 2 or 3 years after that when I started to play around with stuff.
As far as the "interesting" comment, well, it's really not all the interesting. It's pretty standard, really. Set a goal, and realize that sometimes you need to adjust accordingly. In my case, results were coming faster than I had hoped for, but they didn't look or feel the way I wanted them to. So, I slowed them down by adding in calories and upping the training intensity, as well as removing any potentially catabolic drugs for now.
I'm with you bro. Super curious to see how this goes for you. I'm actually pretty excited just to watch and see what happens. Sounds solid top to bottom. You know your body best and I know you've done the research so make that shit count.
Oh, and I'll take a few progress pics tonight to help catalog this process. Right now I have all my abs visible, with veins on the bottom. Veiny calves, and quads too. So, the leanness is there, I would guess 9-10% BF, just a guess. Anyway, I'll try and keep it around there for the next 2 months and then fucking SLAM the cut (DNP, maybe?! Oh boy, another new thing!) to 5-6% BF.... Ride that out for the summer (assuming I can) and get back to 10% or so when I "bulk" again in the winter. I really like Meadows' idea of not going above 12, ever.
DNP works bro. Great for leading into a cut for 10-14 days at a higher dose or small doses over 3-4 weeks for a more gradual progress. You'll hold water and go a little flat though so be prepared for that look until it clears your system. It's all about the end game so dismiss the short term effects on your look if you run it.
Told you superdrol was the shit lol. I can't believe that it is not very popular. I guess people look at it as a worthless pro hormone which is definitely not the case. That shit on its own is very tough on the body. Adding 2 grams of tren to that is not a good idea."Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes, turn and face the strain"
Okay, anyway, now that we got the David Bowie lyrics out of the way, let's discuss the meaning of this!
In all aspects of life, we must adapt, and observe. I was unhappy with how quickly I was shrinking (SAY WHAT?!)! Yes, I was losing too much weight (looked like fat and water mostly), too fast, and was looking flat, as fuck. I literally was melting away, without really any cardio. I didn't like that, it wasn't part of my 16 week plan, it would've been fine if this was a 4 week crash diet cut, but this is not. I was actually putting on the weight, in a caloric deficit, with minimal carbs, but my body did not look good, at all. No pumps, etc. So, I did a lot of thinking about what I want to do, and consulted a few friends, one of which is an IFBB pro super heavy weight (maybe he'll see the Olympia stage someday, but Chris Aceto does his programs, so he knows a little bit, I'd say).
I'm going for the "Unicorn Cycle", the one that everyone wants, where you gain muscle and lose fat. Let's see how this is done.... I feel like this might be the way to do it.
Anyway, I'm going to focus on adding lean mass right now, and keeping the cardio up. I'm not fat, by any means. I think the next 2 months will allow me to slowly "grow" into a harder shape. Reminds me a lot of what the older BB'ers used to do, where they'd literally grow into stage shape. Nowadays people get WAY too soft, and cut before a show. I'm learning my body doesn't respond as well to sudden changes, and has a tendency to freak out if I grow, or shrink, too fast. So, here are the changes, my friends:
Drugs:
Still 10iu GH
Tren A - 2100mg's/week (WHAT?!, yes!)
NPP- 700mg's a week (this will allow me to keep adding some hardness, and hopefully not too much soft weight)
Test P- 700mg's/week
Test Enan- 1300mg's/week
------ 2000mg's/week total test
Superdrol- 40mg's/day. This is a whole new drug (Can you believe that?! Something I've never tried?!). I started it on Saturday, and I can already feel, and see it, working. This shit looks like it might be a staple in future cycles already.
Insulin-
T4- Your standard 200mcg's to make up for the GH's lowering of T3 production
IGF-1 LR3- Giving some a try from Maxim. I've been pleased with their other products, and their service has been top notch. I've had mixed experiences with LR3, never run Maxim's (Transformix, maybe a year and a half ago, had SOMETHING crazy in there that blew me the fuck up. Purchase Peptides did squat, nada, nothing).
Mk-677- I've seen plenty of studies now to convince me this is worth trying, and my brother from another mother @fodsod 's bloodwork on the shit was the final piece to get me interested. This stuff is crazy for appetite, it's comparable to GHRP-6, but seems to last ALL day. Seriously, I am never full. That alone makes it worth the $$$.
GHRP-2 and CJC- No Dac- I've used these before, I liked it. It definitely seemed to boost my hunger, and increase my GH "sides" (swollen hands, lethargy, better sleep, nail growth, etc.) The stuff is cheap, and actually seems to work relatively well. This is all anecdotal bro science BS, but, it's worth the $$$ for me, personally.
ECA Stack- 1 upon waking, 1 pre workout
Potential additions:
Masteron Prop: 1000mgs/week. Regardless this will be added, when? I don't know. I will add it when I take out the NPP, I would guess. Also, I just don't know how i feel about using it when I'm not actively "cutting", per say, rather slowly adding lean mass.
Diet:
Well, this is some fucked up shit. I'm gonna eat as much as I can, very few cheats. I'm talking real foods, only, and high calories. I've been doing it since saturday, and feel fine and look harder and leaner than I ever have, so, I'll keep doing this until I add to much fat, if I do. I honestly feel a bit ridiculous eating this much, but we will see how long I can get away with it, no "dirty" bulk for me anymore, just too much work to cut it all down.
The macros (yes, this looks insane, this is an experiment, I know it truly looks retarded, but this has been gone over with a few personal friends and it's seemed to work as long as the timing, drugs and training are in check). I'll back off the overall calories, and the carbs in particular if I gain much fat, I just have no interest in that. I can post the outline of the actual food, and food timing, if you guys are interested.
P: 582 grams
C: 629 grams
Fat: 128 Grams
Total Calories: 5996
Training:
The training is going to be intense, that's why I feel these high macros will be used for rebuilding muscle (also the GH, tren, NPP, test, Superdrol and insulin should help with partitioning). I'll be doing John Meadows The Gauntlet, for the second time. This was BY FAR the most intense program I've ever done, and I feel like I under recovered each time from it... I don't think I ate, or slept enough the first time I did it. Also, I will be doing cardio 3x a week either fasted in the AM, or if need be, post lifting.
Weighing in around 216lbs right now. It's weird, I gained weight will trying to "cut", and looked flatter, but drier. I'm not really SURE what happened, but it wasn't "bad" weight that I put on, just looked kind of shitty from the lack of carbs and probably over training.
The "cut" will resume, probably April 1st and slide into the end of May. So, that's when I'd expect to see clen, t3 and masteron hit the lineup, and the insulin removed. Also, the test will PROBABLY drop, we shall see how soft this test spike makes me. So, I will keep this in the "cut" thread, as it's part of the same journey, just a bit of the detour.
I'm here for you guys with any answers I can provide, and all the love and kisses you want this Valentine's day
A little check-in pic to give you guys a general idea where things are at, no real pump here, I just did 1 warmup set of machine presses for the ladies at home
I understand your concern, but I'm too dumb to listen..... lol, just gotta let the 'pus be the 'pus my dude.
So are you in a cut now??? It seems like you just started cutting 1 month ago. If results went that fast that is crazy.
You still using syntherol?
It was literally a month, man. I cannot believe how fast I leaned out. That's why I'm taking a break and filling back out. The pic I just posted was literally an hour ago... The changes were fucking unreal that I went through over the last month, ask @Eman or @GearGodess , they've seen the daily changes.
You seriously look lean but it doesnt look like what you have been doing effected your size at all. You could prob keep it up. But its your choice, You are very lean. I guess if you bulked you would look beast. Since you just cut up nicely.
I feel very, very insulin sensitive and primed to grow. I can't help it, I just feel I need to detour and grow a bit more before I cut down again.
