Ateam2023
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i would think that the reta , cardio, diet, hgh played a much larger role than that 1.5 mg of Slupp and mot c,,
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dick_starbuck
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Not my first contest prep. Easily the quickest I've gotten lean with the least amount of effort.
magnuss88
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This is good to hear. Debating just buying the higher dosed caps or just starting low first…
dick_starbuck
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Yeah man give it a whirl for yourself.
magnuss88
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Think I should just purchase the 20mg caps or milk the 250mcg ones for a while?
dick_starbuck
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Every I have read who is taking the 20mg caps says they don't do anything... makes me think they are bunk. However there have been tests I'm pretty sure. So who knows what's going on there. I've been using Modern Aminos SLU, I bought a bunch at an extreme mark up before joining this forum. I can't comment on the quality of the other SLU on the board because I haven't used it.
I say you do em both doses and see how it works for you.
Sounds really promising. I am going to run Mots, slu, 5amino, nad+, Retra and ss-31 for a cut soon as well but mostly looking to improve my Homa and hba1c and document it's impact on those
dick_starbuck
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Sounds pretty dope!
magnuss88
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Good call, thank you.
Enjoythements
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Anecdotally, many people notice results from 500–750mcg, though it might just be placebo.
IMO It really depends if your mitochondria are already working well, you probably won’t see much benefit from MOTS-c, SLU-PP, 5-Amino, etc. But if your mitochondria need improvement, then 500-750mcg combined with SLU and other optimizers could be very effective.
IMO It really depends if your mitochondria are already working well, you probably won’t see much benefit from MOTS-c, SLU-PP, 5-Amino, etc. But if your mitochondria need improvement, then 500-750mcg combined with SLU and other optimizers could be very effective.
Basically the older you get the more effective this might be as mitochondrial efficiency goes down with age
magnuss88
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Can we speculate on an age range? 40+ ?
From the studies i've read it starts with 24-27 and the degradation gets worse when consuming things like alcohol, smoking, high oxidative stress and stress in general, diabetis.
So I'd say anyone +30-35yo should gain benefit. In my case i noticed that when combining things for mitochondrial health it greatly improved overall energy levels, endurance, bit more strength and major improvements in lipids and blood sugar.
Can recommend going through studies like those: The Mitochondrial Basis of Aging and Age-Related Disorders - PMC
Psychological Stress and Mitochondria: A Systematic Review - PMC
Mitochondria are multifunctional life-sustaining organelles that represent a potential intersection point between psychosocial experiences and biological stress responses. This article provides a systematic review of the effects of psychological ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Environmental Chemical Exposures and Mitochondrial Dysfunction: a Review of Recent Literature - PMC
Mitochondria play various roles that are important for cell function and survival; therefore, significant mitochondrial dysfunction may have chronic consequences that extend beyond the cell. Mitochondria are already susceptible to damage, which may ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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R There is so much that affects mitochondrial health and in return, having healthy, efficient and properly working mitochondrial fixes a lot of issues you might have. So when you have the money, its worth running a basic mitochondrial support stack year around and cover supplements for that like Ubquinol, PQQ and so on.
magnuss88
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Great post. I’ve been using ubquinol and pqq since I saw vigorous Steve’s massive year round supplement stack haha. One day, I hope to have enough excess funds to afford that since I’m really big on optimizing health and trying to limit as much damage as possible from the more “fun” stuff we use.From the studies i've read it starts with 24-27 and the degradation gets worse when consuming things like alcohol, smoking, high oxidative stress and stress in general, diabetis.
So I'd say anyone +30-35yo should gain benefit. In my case i noticed that when combining things for mitochondrial health it greatly improved overall energy levels, endurance, bit more strength and major improvements in lipids and blood sugar.
Can recommend going through studies like those: The Mitochondrial Basis of Aging and Age-Related Disorders - PMC
Psychological Stress and Mitochondria: A Systematic Review - PMC
Mitochondria are multifunctional life-sustaining organelles that represent a potential intersection point between psychosocial experiences and biological stress responses. This article provides a systematic review of the effects of psychological ...Environmental Chemical Exposures and Mitochondrial Dysfunction: a Review of Recent Literature - PMC
Mitochondria play various roles that are important for cell function and survival; therefore, significant mitochondrial dysfunction may have chronic consequences that extend beyond the cell. Mitochondria are already susceptible to damage, which may ...
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So when you have the money, its worth running a basic mitochondrial support stack year around and cover supplements for that like Ubquinol, PQQ and so on.
I'd say start with the basics, Ubiquinol, PQQ, decent anti-oxidants, Choline & Inostiol, Reservatol, Quercetin. If you wanna go a bit more basic, NMN and 5Amino1MQ.
Then you can go a step higher bringing in MOTS-C, i go with 1mg a day together with 500mg of Carnitine with my pre-workout meal (injectable).
I recently also added Methelyne Blue which is supposed to have additional benefits for Mitochondria but i mostly use it because it gives me a good mental wellbeing overall and havent noticed anything else apart from that.
From there on you can throw in NAD+ things like Glutathione. If you look these up you can see that those are great anti-oxidants but also play a big role in mitochondrial function and recycling of those.
They all work really well together, can recommend reading up on the connection between NAD+, NMN, 5Amino1mq and NAC. Very interesting overall!
A bigger stack which i would always run during a cut and offseason would also include then SLU and SS-31.
As Mitochondrial health is impacted by so much, you could argue that during a cut where your body lacks calories, proper nutrition and is under a bit more stress than general, you want your mitochondria to function at 100% to really preserve muscle, energy and melt fat easier.
Vice versa for a off-season when you put your body under stress from additional weight, water, high carb intake, potential blood sugar issues and so on.
Obviously it's quite pricey but i personally just stick with the same amount of AAS, keep my mitochondrial health at a very high priority and control the rest by activity, cardio and food and never had a plateau or face a time where i felt like i made no progress.
And honestly, i really love how this improved glucose issues (chronically fucked Homa and also diabetic and this was the first time i saw major improvements in it and i did not use a SLGT2, GLP, Metformin or Thiazolidinediones). The positive change in lipids was a nice bonus on top.
Bit of Mitochondrial support, sprinkle in some Retra and trust me, your diet will bet easiest and smoothest you will ever have without having to crank up your AAS (at least in my personal experience).
magnuss88
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I wanted to try ss-31 but I can’t swing that at the moment. From what I researched you need some hefty doses and it’s not cheap.
I am 95% set on running mots c, 5 amino 1mq, slu pp 332, methylene blue.
I was also thinking about adding tesofensine in as well. I tried it a while back but I’m not sure if the quality. You have any experience with it?
No experience with tesofensine here, i'd just stick with Retra.
SS-31 protocols vary a lot, i'd just combine it with MOTS-C and run 1-2mg of it daily. I prefer daily injections to keep it a stable level than doing 5-10mg once a week or so.
As for sourcing, some chinese vendors have it at a good price when buying in bulk
dick_starbuck
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Tesofensine is an SSRI right? Don't combine that with methylene blue. Methylene blue is a MAOI and should not be combined with an SSRI or any other doperminergic or serotonergic drugs.
Good point and very important one!
Dang son, you are peculiarly expert on this topic. Do you work in a field where that knowledge is needed? Or was it just something you became interested in personally and dove in the research?
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