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So, what can you tell me about Piracetam and Deprenyl? I would have thought these would
be included in your list as they were and are the forefront of nootropics.
 
egomaniac said:
So, what can you tell me about Piracetam and Deprenyl? I would have thought these would
be included in your list as they were and are the forefront of nootropics.

Piracetam does not seem to do much at all in the way of cognative function for me. Rather it seems to do more in the way of protection from what I have heard.

I like deprenyl very much and have received benefits of mental sharpening and mood elevation from it, but it has MANY negative food interactions. Anything containing tyramine such as cheeses, beer, and other fermented or aged foods. These can cause a hypertensive crisis and literally kill you if you hyper-react. I have been on it and ate cheese pizza and felt my blood pressure zoom up and my ears became beet red from it. The safer and more expensive option is the Ensam patch which I have not yet tried.

I have been currently using low dose Adderall which does not mix with Deprenyl.
 
Diagnosed with adhd years ago. Currently I am using a combinaition of Ginko, DMAE, Vinocetine, Huperzine A, Fish oil and Piracetam. Piracetam I added very recently and I think has some very positive effects. I have found these to be particularly effective focus, memory, creative thinking are all improved. I also have been precribed adderrall for some years but Have backed of the dose when starting these other supps and seen an increase in performance. Modafinil is def on my list of things to try though, as is hydergine. anyone know if this is available as a prescription med in the US?

One other thing that I find makes a big difference is not have meals with tons of high GI carbs, eating vegetables especially green ones makes a noticeable difference.
 
8pak said:
Diagnosed with adhd years ago. Currently I am using a combinaition of Ginko, DMAE, Vinocetine, Huperzine A, Fish oil and Piracetam. Piracetam I added very recently and I think has some very positive effects. I have found these to be particularly effective focus, memory, creative thinking are all improved. I also have been precribed adderrall for some years but Have backed of the dose when starting these other supps and seen an increase in performance. Modafinil is def on my list of things to try though, as is hydergine. anyone know if this is available as a prescription med in the US?

One other thing that I find makes a big difference is not have meals with tons of high GI carbs, eating vegetables especially green ones makes a noticeable difference.


this is great to hear. When Barry Sears began publishing his work on the Zone Diet, I found my focus and concentration were improved to a point. Beyond that I continued to look for supplements and meds like yourself.
 
8pak said:
Diagnosed with adhd years ago. Currently I am using a combinaition of Ginko, DMAE, Vinocetine, Huperzine A, Fish oil and Piracetam. Piracetam I added very recently and I think has some very positive effects. I have found these to be particularly effective focus, memory, creative thinking are all improved. I also have been precribed adderrall for some years but Have backed of the dose when starting these other supps and seen an increase in performance. Modafinil is def on my list of things to try though, as is hydergine. anyone know if this is available as a prescription med in the US?

One other thing that I find makes a big difference is not have meals with tons of high GI carbs, eating vegetables especially green ones makes a noticeable difference.

I have tried everything you mentioned, even at the same time with minimal effects and less money in my bank account as a result. Modafinil does seem to work well for some, but I do not like the way it makes me feel, nor does it produce a positive effect for me. Hydergine also did not seem to produce a positive effect and increased the pressure in my eyes, so much so that the vision in my left eye changed, causing me to have to get glasses.

I did a one month trial of concerta and while it makes me feel good, with more energy, mood, and drive, it did little to help my ADHD.

Just started Adderall XR at 20mg per day and 15-20mg of Cortef and it is the best remedy I have used. I have great energy, mental clarity, focus, and a desire to get things done. After doing a neuroscience panel and seeing I was low in Norepinephrine, epinephrine, and dopamine, it only makes sense that adderall would do the trick since it increases adrenaline.
 
Vforcer2 said:
I have tried everything you mentioned, even at the same time with minimal effects and less money in my bank account as a result. Modafinil does seem to work well for some, but I do not like the way it makes me feel, nor does it produce a positive effect for me. Hydergine also did not seem to produce a positive effect and increased the pressure in my eyes, so much so that the vision in my left eye changed, causing me to have to get glasses.

I did a one month trial of concerta and while it makes me feel good, with more energy, mood, and drive, it did little to help my ADHD.

Just started Adderall XR at 20mg per day and 15-20mg of Cortef and it is the best remedy I have used. I have great energy, mental clarity, focus, and a desire to get things done. After doing a neuroscience panel and seeing I was low in Norepinephrine, epinephrine, and dopamine, it only makes sense that adderall would do the trick since it increases adrenaline.
What dose of Concerta did you try I am on the 36 mgs. and doing 20mgs of cortef my mind has great mental clarity and focus but my engergy is in the totlet. I am up to 2.75 grains of Armour and my Temps are between 98.5 to 98.7 for the last 17 days the best ever in the last 11 months I have been taking and charting them. I feel I am fucked and this is going to be the best it gets.
Hell I get up between 5 and 6am every morning so I take my meds. and so my TRT then and go back to bed so when I get up at 8am I can empty the dish washer and fix my breakfast after that I am all in. I have been feeling very hot and sense adding cortef my levels of Total T , Free T and DHEA shot way up. My Dr. does not want to lower anything to be sure it's not a lab mess up. I think the labs are right some thing is getting better and I am not eating up my TRT meds. So I am all out of sync. I did find out something new about levels of E2 and will be starting a new post on it.
 
pmgamer18 said:
What dose of Concerta did you try I am on the 36 mgs. and doing 20mgs of cortef my mind has great mental clarity and focus but my engergy is in the totlet. I am up to 2.75 grains of Armour and my Temps are between 98.5 to 98.7 for the last 17 days the best ever in the last 11 months I have been taking and charting them. I feel I am fucked and this is going to be the best it gets.
Hell I get up between 5 and 6am every morning so I take my meds. and so my TRT then and go back to bed so when I get up at 8am I can empty the dish washer and fix my breakfast after that I am all in. I have been feeling very hot and sense adding cortef my levels of Total T , Free T and DHEA shot way up. My Dr. does not want to lower anything to be sure it's not a lab mess up. I think the labs are right some thing is getting better and I am not eating up my TRT meds. So I am all out of sync. I did find out something new about levels of E2 and will be starting a new post on it.

I was using 18 mg of Concerta most of the time and some days doubled it to 36 mg to see what the difference would feel like. This drug was nice and mild, with no insomnia issues, elevated mood, and drive. Downsides were that it hampered libido for me, and really did not help my my mental clarity. I am now on Adderall XR and it is THE ONE for me because it increase dopamine and epinephrine and norepinephrine which is what my brain needs per my neuroscience lab test. The only trouble with taking a drug like this is it can (per Marianco) further deplete already struggling adrenals. This is another reason to continue with Cortef long term possibly. I am also on 1iu of HGH now, which may further help the adrenals to repair and recover.
 
Vforcer2 said:
I am also on 1iu of HGH now, which may further help the adrenals to repair and recover.
Can you give me idea about $$ involved when getting involved in HGH, (yearly basis).
And how to go about it when trying to minimize the cost?
Is Dr. John + local doctor (just writting scripts) practical/possible way?
Or self education + local Dr (just writting scripts), (this is how I go about my TRT till now)?
What type of blood tests, other than IFG-1 ?
 
JanSz said:
Can you give me idea about $$ involved when getting involved in HGH, (yearly basis).
And how to go about it when trying to minimize the cost?
Is Dr. John + local doctor (just writting scripts) practical/possible way?
Or self education + local Dr (just writting scripts), (this is how I go about my TRT till now)?
What type of blood tests, other than IFG-1 ?

I am not sure what you are asking with regards to the doctors. I have had my HGH levels tested from a urine test kit suggested and provided by my doctor. Here is the company: http://www.aalrl.com/index.php . I used the spot urine test.

My doctor orders my HGH from Signature Pharmacy where they compound it themselves. I spoke with thier business development manager and he says that every batch of their product is tested against Saizan and it is more potent and just as pure (low/no foreign proteins). It costs $240 for 30iu or $8 per iu and includes the insulin needles.

The protocol is 5 days on, 2 days off. Based on that you would be looking at $2080.00 per year.
 
Vforcer2 said:
I am not sure what you are asking with regards to the doctors. I have had my HGH levels tested from a urine test kit suggested and provided by my doctor. Here is the company: http://www.aalrl.com/index.php . I used the spot urine test.

My doctor orders my HGH from Signature Pharmacy where they compound it themselves. I spoke with thier business development manager and he says that every batch of their product is tested against Saizan and it is more potent and just as pure (low/no foreign proteins). It costs $240 for 30iu or $8 per iu and includes the insulin needles.

The protocol is 5 days on, 2 days off. Based on that you would be looking at $2080.00 per year.
As usual, I asked question, you have given me straight answer.
Thank you.
 
This is a great thread!

Even though my hormones are tuned up, I still feel mentally sluggish. Not as sharp as when I was younger/healthier. I am thinking that this may be because of my Adrenal Fatigue. I do take HC 5mg every morning and DHEA 25mg and pregnenolone 10mg to treat this. I am thinking that this may be a result of lower norepinephrine and epinephrine levels, because of the Adrenal Fatigue. I believe that norepinephrine is produced in the adrenals.

NADH is supposed to increase norepinephrine, dopamine and serotonin. Has anybody had any good or bad experiences to report using NADH?

Tyrosine is also supposed to increase norepinephrine. Has anyone had any experience with tyrosine?
 
About 4 months ago, I took Dr. Marty Hinz seminar on neurotransmiters and started to take his supplement combinations to balance serotonin and the catecholamines. In about another 5 weeks I should know if I have reached my goals and can unload a few things I'm currently taking.

http://neuroassist.com/
 
HeadDoc said:
this is a pretty good review on the subject


http://www.smart-drugs.net/ias-NADH.htm

Thanks for the info Headdoc. Please keep us posted on your progress. I am very interested to know how it works out for you.
 
HeadDoc said:
I've used the supplements and provigil for as long as a year continuously without much of noticeable change.

Did you notice a big difference after taking Provigil? Does your insurance cover Provigil? I believe it's quite expensive, right?
 
1cc said:
Did you notice a big difference after taking Provigil? Does your insurance cover Provigil? I believe it's quite expensive, right?
my insurance covers it. The doc dx ideopathic narcolepsy to get it covered. Provigil definitely helps. I began to experience some difficulties staying asleep and increase in anxiety over the past few months---so I decided to go a different route and see what happens.
 
GH deficit from GH abuse without sermorelin post cycle

I have done a GH cycle without any sermorelin or GHRP post cycle for restore my GH/IGF-1 axis...
I used 0.6 mg Genotropin for 20 days and now (with diagnosis in Hospital with GHRH+arginine stimulus test )..I have GH deficiency and hypopituitarysm...
My problem is because I havn't done any sermorelin cycle for restore MY GH own:(
 
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