Soybeans and phytoestrogens? Why does nobody talk about beer? Or Flax?

[3Th3osis3]

Tbh I don't discriminate, I consider soy as bad as any other vegetable. I just eat animals (from nose to tail) including eggs and cheese.

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

Reviving an old thread here as it came up in a search I made for Genistein. Was investigating the potential role of Genistein (soy isoflavinoid) to be used as a supplement in conjunction with AAS... has anyone used these days as a supplement to their regimen?

Basically is is a phytoestrogen that has similar agonism at the ERb as estradiol, but much less activity at ERa... So basically Genistein acts as a SERM (+) at ERb, (-) at ERa.

ERb effects are generally desirable, particularly for breast, prostate, kidney, brain, and endothelium.

There is no ERb in the liver so not sure these would be helpful for raising HDL, GF>IGF1 conversion; or pituitary, so there should be no further negative feedback on HPTA although in most AAS users that is already suppressed via androgens. So I would not think very low estradiol (as in heavy AI use or too low aromitizable compounds) could be offset by using Genistein.

 

[just some dude]

Tbh I don't discriminate, I consider soy as bad as any other vegetable. I just eat animals (from nose to tail) including eggs and cheese.

chad

 

[CubanQuentin]

So hoppier beers like IPAs and whatnot have higher levels of the phytoestrogen, which is called 8-prenylnaringenin (8-PN). 8-PN is considered to be the most potent phytoestrogen ever discovered!

I KNEW IPAs were for pussies!

This entire debate is pointless. No one's growing tits from soy or beer or flax seeds or whatever alone. If that was the case the trans crowd would've discovered it already

You're looking too hard into a meme. Soy is looked at as feminizing because of the soyboy meme which in turn comes from Soylent; beer isn't looked at as feminizing because drinking is considered a "masculine" activity (decreasingly so)