Spark some DEBATE!!!

[Fast Food]

Interesting information sent to me by a friend. The GOP is evil and must be destroyed.

>Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving a
>Social Security check every month -- and then finding that we are getting
>taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the federal government to "put away,"
>you may be interested in the following:
>
>Q: Which party took Social Security from an independent fund and put it in
>the general fund so that Congress could spend it?
>A: It was Richard Nixon and the Republican-controlled House and Senate.
>-----------------------
>Q: Which party put a tax on Social Security?
>A: The Republican Party
>-----------------------
>Q: Which party increased the tax on Social Security?
>A: The Republican Party with Dick Cheney casting the deciding vote.
>---------------------
>Q: Which party decided to give money to immigrants?
>A: That's right, immigrants moved into this country and at 65 got SSI!
>Social Security. The Republican party gave that to them although they never
>paid a dime into it.
>------------------------
>Then, after doing all this, the Republicans turn around and tell you the
>Democrats want to take your Social Security. And the worst part about it is,
>people believe it!

 

[Bob Smith]

Do you have any news articles or other sources to support any of those claims?

 

[thick]

sounds like the butter/margarine email

 

[Fast Food]

i got nothin!!!!!!!!!! it was just a forward, and I knew it would stir up some people on here..... but i have no support on this but a copy and paste function from my Lotus Notes.

 

[Bob Smith]

Whichever party enacted, increased benefits, and wants to add more programs to Social (In)Security should be booted out of office. The only viable option to keep SS afloat is to let people choose whether they want to take social security or contribute to a privately managed account.

http://www.socialsecurity.org/catoplan/

 

[Grizzly]

Yeah, what he said. Simple solution. Gimme my goddamned money and I'll save for my own retirement...as it should be. Hell, with the amount of money they take from me each check, I could have one hell of a 401k.

 

[Bob Smith]

If people would take responsibility for their own finances instead of looking to Washington for the answer, we will be much better off. Its pretty simple...pay off all your debts as fast as possible, live on less than you earn, and then invest the money that was going to debt into retirement and other investing. If you have an IQ of at least 65, you will end up a millionaire quite easily.

 

[Grizzly]

But the majority will not do that. Of course, I don't care if they all die from no medicine and starve on cat food, it's their own fault. But it was summed up best by one of the warehouse managers when I mentioned how people should be responsible for themselves. He said, "But I didn't think about retirement before. I need my social security." Too fucking bad; boo hoo, boo hoo.

 

[Grizzly]

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh! I have another radical idea. Don't retire period. Work goddamn you lazy fucks! My grandfather is 83 and he still works full time. In fact, he worked TWO jobs for longer than most people are alive before they retire. (about 55 years of two jobs)

 

[Kayz]

I guarantee taht I can make more money for my retirement than the government can. And if there are people who squander their savings with bad investments....then they deserve to starve to death and die!!! I don't care.

 

[Bob Smith]

I guarantee taht I can make more money for my retirement than the government can. And if there are people who squander their savings with bad investments....then they deserve to starve to death and die!!! I don't care.

That pretty much sums up my thoughts.

What bugs the shit out of me is how people think that SS was meant to be their retirement fund. That was so far from the case when SS was first enacted.

 

[Kayz]

That pretty much sums up my thoughts.

What bugs the shit out of me is how people think that SS was meant to be their retirement fund. That was so far from the case when SS was first enacted.

Right...it was meant to "supplement" their retirement. Teh government never thought that people would not pay into it and then live to be 90 years old.....and now it is me and you who get fucked.

Hey, my grandparents took care of themselves and do not rely on SS and neither will I.

I want to manage my own money. Hell, invest it in low risk ventures such as mutual funds for even CD's and you'll make 3 times what you would with SS.

If I fuck it up, let me suffer. I don't want any "aid" or "handouts". I'm a big boy and I'll always take care of myself and my family.

 

[Bob Smith]

Right...it was meant to "supplement" their retirement. Teh government never thought that people would not pay into it and then live to be 90 years old.....and now it is me and you who get fucked.

And even then, the govt never planned on very many people collecting. They set the age limit above what the average life expectancy was, but now with medicine and easier lifestyles, damn near everyone qualifies.

If you dont want to eliminate SS, then let me keep my 6.2% and my employer can continue to contribute the other half. I sure as hell can better plan and invest for my retirement than some bohemoth govt bueracracy. ID bet that my 6.2% could pretty easily generate a $10k+ monthly income when Im 60 (40 years from now), as opposed to the $1500-2000 grand promised me by the govt. Hmm...10k or 2k....not a very hard decision.

Hey, my grandparents took care of themselves and do not rely on SS and neither will I.

Amen, mine too. Both of my grandmas are pretty well set financially and have plenty to live on as well as give to their kids and grandkids. Even my one grandma that loves low interest govt bonds is doing better than the return on SS.

 

[Grizzly]

You know what the probelm is here? People seem to think that life is self-sustaining. They seem to think that by virtue of being alive, they must be kept alive only because they are alive. Sounds awfully nice, but it just doesn't work like that. Some serious effort must be put into sustaining one's life.

 

[Kayz]

You know what the probelm is here? People seem to think that life is self-sustaining. They seem to think that by virtue of being alive, they must be kept alive only because they are alive. Sounds awfully nice, but it just doesn't work like that. Some serious effort must be put into sustaining one's life.

Very true, but IMO it all goes back to Darwinism and "survival of the fittest". Those individuals whom are smart, strong, and take the necessary steps to ensure the survival of their families as well as themselves will go on living and procreate to create a larger family, which in theory should evolve to be stronger than his/her predecessors. Thus the cycle continues.

Those who are dependent on others and will not take a pro active approach to bettering their lives to ensure survival will (and should as they are a drain on the rest of the population) die!!!

It sounds very primitive (because it is), but it all makes certain sense. We are animals too and by nature are designed to take care of those closest to us.