Stanford Pharma aka SP = Meso Member Xkawn

[mands]

And yes contacting members who've been around for years with the ear of the community would have been the best way of doing things. Could have got ahold of Mands, Eman, and many others individually or as a group and shared the info with them and then they could have brought the issue to the community without all the dots being connected publicly.

I mean fuck am I the only one who sees a issue with this? Surely I'm not the only one who sees doing the job for LE and handing it over to them a problem? Am I? If I'm alone on this then surely I no longer belong on this site cause I find it to be pretty fucked up.

I have to agree with you on this one. This @Rapier dude obviously has alliterative motives or he could easily came to me and got his questions answered in 30 seconds instead of pulling a bitch move IMO.

Completely unnecessary post as I see it.

mands

 

[Akimopio]

I get the issue of people being mad about making it "easy" for LE but the main point is you shouldn't have holes the size of the empire state building in your Op Sec or bread crumbs all over the place. If you want to source you ghost and start fresh. If some random guy with a possible vendetta can put together a dissertation on someone maybe you shouldn't be ordering from him vendetta or not.

I’m sure many sources can potentially be at risk if their customers suddenly want to connect the dots and do detective work

 

[Iron_Yuppie]

Buuuuuuut my tin hat still telling me you’ve got a hidden motive lol

bout to open up shop??lmao

And instead of proving that Meso cares about vetting, even retroactively, everyone has basically just given this alleged new and mysterious source the green light to dodge questions and obfuscate. So if this was all just subterfuge by an incoming source he basically played everyone and got a lot of people to admit that the rules aren’t really that important.

Any suspicions members have will be pushed aside because maybe this new guy is coming in from another board and is established elsewhere. He’ll bring along some others to give him glowing reviews. And when there’s pushback he’ll point to this thread.

Now I don’t think that’s what’s happening here. I somehow doubt that there’s a source out there who’s playing 3D chess and has some master plan. That seems much less likely than a more obvious explanation. But assuming your premise is correct, why would you actively give any new source an excuse to hide information from members here? I’m mystified by why this is being handled this way. Who has the most to gain by taking the “this is no big deal” position? Suspicion works both ways, you know? Frankly the much more rational stance of “we need answers from Stan before we make any judgment” should have been the default from the word go. That’s the way everyone else would have been treated, and for those of us in the cheap seats it’s why we’re at Meso in the first place.

I don’t know. Had good experiences with Stan and would absolutely not order from any new source that popped up here until they’d been vetted and went through several months of not fucking up. So it makes no difference to me. But if everyone starts breaking norms then they cease to be norms. Institutions don’t usually last that long once the guardrails are gone.

 

[Eman]

Could have got ahold of Mands, Eman, and many others individually or as a group and shared the info with them and then they could have brought the issue to the community without all the dots being connected publicly.

Frankly, I don't think it would have made any difference. Vetting on this board is not what it once was. I suspect that he slid through vetting easier than most because there are a handful of members here that were already aware of who he was.

 

[mands]

And instead of proving that Meso cares about vetting, even retroactively, everyone has basically just given this alleged new and mysterious source the green light to dodge questions and obfuscate. So if this was all just subterfuge by an incoming source he basically played everyone and got a lot of people to admit that the rules aren’t really that important.

But, the rules do apply here and they did in this case as well. Just because those that came after weren't privy to the discussions about vetting Stan doesn't mean it didn't happen.

People are making assumptions without knowing the actual facts.

And shame on MESO members for ordering from him if they didn't think he was vetted properly

mands

 

[muscletrain]

But, the rules do apply here and they did in this case as well. Just because those that came after weren't privy to the discussions about vetting Stan doesn't mean it didn't happen.

People are making assumptions without knowing the actual facts.

And shame on MESO members for ordering from him if they didn't think he was vetted properly

mands

Double edged sword here, clearly this post is not just some do gooder out to warn people about Stanford. I'm not even from the US but he seemed like the more sought after guy when it came to labs, seriously u boys don't have super labs down there?

1) Clearly shitty if this info can be dug up easily on him
BUT
2) Someone isn't doing this out of the kindness of their heart
3) Saw the vacuum of Sym and Stanford being gone and got their panties twisted when stan was notifying people of his return

Jethro's DoubleWide Labs probably got upset, albeit it does show a lapse in security if proven true.

 

[MadBret]

@Rapier aka 6ix9ine aka snitching ass pussy motherfucker, scared to speak his mind through his real account due to security concerns, but has no problem putting other folks freedom at risk.

Why you putting Stan on blast, even if you are correct in who he is? You obviously have ulterior motives here. I wholeheartedly agree with @bigpoppachump2 I hope someone knocks out your fucking teeth.

It would be a real shame if someone did some digging into who this cop calling faggot actually is...

 

[MindlessWork]

@Rapier aka 6ix9ine aka snitching ass pussy motherfucker, scared to speak his mind through his real account due to security concerns, but has no problem putting other folks freedom at risk.

Why you putting Stan on blast, even if you are correct in who he is? You obviously have ulterior motives here. I wholeheartedly agree with @bigpoppachump2 I hope someone knocks out your fucking teeth.

It would be a real shame if someone did some digging into who this cop calling faggot actually is...

Shame that we have a snitch or 2 amongst us that has a beef with Stan (considering he's doing quite well here) and now wants to out him just to get his jollies. Hope the snitching OP does get his teeth knocked out.

 

[bigpoppachump2]

Frankly, I don't think it would have made any difference. Vetting on this board is not what it once was. I suspect that he slid through vetting easier than most because there are a handful of members here that were already aware of who he was.

I absolutely agree with you 100%. He slid through way to easy. I got vouched for by Torro without even asking or trying and got put onto him (stan) before he ever went public. I wasnt cool with him coming out and going semi public in the first place and I kinda got my feathers in a bunch and said fuck it if you're gonna go public I'll just go back to using another public source who's gear is unquestionably good that I've used for years. I didnt come back into the fray until later on and started ordering from him again when I decided that I could get bigger quantities from stan for the same $. Looking back through his threads now I see that he came onto meso with little to no friction and that's not the first time this has happened and I'm sure it wont be the last. If he had been vetted more thoroughly I think he still would have passed and held on considering his likeable personality and the fact that he always came through in the end. So this popping up as late as it has created problems for people who've ordered from him as many times as some of us have like me. It doesnt sit well with me at all having it all come out like this.


There is definitely issues with the source OPSEC undoubtedly and tor sure something needed to be done but laying it out step by step publicly wasnt the way to do it.

 

[bigpoppachump2]

Shame that we have a snitch or 2 amongst us that has a beef with Stan (considering he's doing quite well here) and now wants to out him just to get his jollies. Hope the snitching OP does get his teeth knocked out.

Wow!! I'm kinda proud of you for once for taking a hardline stance on a issue and having some balls.

 

[bigpoppachump2]

And for the record I will not be ordering from Stan again unless some info comes out that proves all of this to be a bunch of bullshit.

So yeah to the OP mission accomplished buddy nice work. But I won't be ordering from your bathtub lab either fuckhead. If I ever make another purchase from a American based UGL it wont be from a source on Meso that is for certain.

 

[biggerben69]

This part makes sense and it’s been done before. This is exactly why people are allowed to make alt accounts here.
s.

Agreed. Is Rapier a former customer of Stans? If he is I understand his making this alt acct to bring forth his issues. If he has stated this then I missed it.
If he isn't a customer, formerly or presently, then is everyone ok with his posting behind an alt acct?
If he isn't a customer now or previously, what is he afraid of? I've gone after sources with a customer base 10 times the size of Stans using my original handle. Is he afraid of the backlash from members?
Rapier posted a thread started by a member about myself a few years back. The member attempted to "Out me". If we were all sitting in a large auditorium having Town Hall type meeting that member would likely have not made it to his car safely.
The member was labeled a snitch and subsequently left meso only to return with a different handle. I believe he has since returned to posting under his original handle as things have a way of blowing over.
Its a good read...especially because its about me. At the time I was on the run from the feds with an outstanding warrant for a Supervised Release Violation.
The US Marshal who had me on his caseload used Meso to try and pinpoint my whereabouts. It wasn't like there was a manhunt for me because I escaped from prison. The Marshals have a Fugitive Recovery Task Force who start at one end of the Valley and work their way back to LA where the Marshall who handled me was based. They do this at least once a month. They visit addressed and people I was associated with. My grown children received monthly visits from them telling them its best to try and get me to turn myself in and blah blah.
They pulled a girl who is a life long friend of my wifes over in an unregistered truck her uncle owned. She had her mentally retarded son with her. She was taking him to school. There was a time when I had stayed at her home. The Marshals were given this info. They pulled her over and they told her if she told them where we were(wife and I run together..codefendants) they would let her drive off in the unregistered vehicle. If she didn't the truck was going to be towed. She was left on the side of the road with her retarded son.
That was an expensive week. I worked things out with her uncle and paid the amount he was out.
Not everyone is as solid. I know who ratted us out. A local who we considered a "Friend" had a state case and turned informant. We were renting a house back in Aug 2018. He was friendly with the owner of the house. He was with the owner when he came to do a repair.
The next morning the street was closed off and the house surrounded. Palm Springs is a small town when it comes to locals. The guy had heard we were on the run and house hopping. Everything is for rent. We had gotten adept at staying off the radar. Doing what I was doing at the time makes it easy to do so.
The guy called his handler and told him he knew the whereabouts of 2 federal fugitives. The Marshals were at the local PD a few hours later to be briefed on things by the snitch. He gave them a layout of the house. Told which bedroom we slept in. Where I sat with my laptop, etc.
I know this because the guy who owned the home made a claim on his homeowners insurance to repair damages he said were made by LE when the entered the home. We always have cameras pointed in several directions(they knew this also) and we came out after making a few calls to have my son come and secure our belongings. He was outside before we were taken away.
Anyway, the home owners insurance company wanted proof that LE had caused the damage etc so he obtained a police report of the incident. In the report it spoke to how the local PD lent a supportive role to the Marshals. It talked about and named our "Friend" turned snitch and how he alerted local PD to our whereabouts and how he met with US Marshals to aid them with intel.
So, LE does in fact use sites like meso, FB and other sites where criminals are known to hang. The Marshal told me that morning he tried to locate me through my posts and the post of others.
Its grown up stuff going on here fellas.
I served a 10 month violation behind the wall for that class C violation. There isn't a penalty for running and not showing up for the court date to violate me, per say. I may have been given the low or medium end of the guidelines if I had turned myself in voluntarily and not the 10 months I got.(guidelines called for 4 to 10 months) The key is not to pick up new charges while running which people often do. I did not. That violation killed my paper and brought to a close my case from 2008. It was a long ride.

 

[Logan44551]

Another power reader I see.

That's a stretch

 

[Eman]

Agreed. Is Rapier a former customer of Stans? If he is I understand his making this alt acct to bring forth his issues. If he has stated this then I missed it.
If he isn't a customer, formerly or presently, then is everyone ok with his posting behind an alt acct?
If he isn't a customer now or previously, what is he afraid of? I've gone after sources with a customer base 10 times the size of Stans using my original handle. Is he afraid of the backlash from members?
Rapier posted a thread started by a member about myself a few years back. The member attempted to "Out me". If we were all sitting in a large auditorium having Town Hall type meeting that member would likely have not made it to his car safely.
The member was labeled a snitch and subsequently left meso only to return with a different handle. I believe he has since returned to posting under his original handle as things have a way of blowing over.
Its a good read...especially because its about me. At the time I was on the run from the feds with an outstanding warrant for a Supervised Release Violation.
The US Marshal who had me on his caseload used Meso to try and pinpoint my whereabouts. It wasn't like there was a manhunt for me because I escaped from prison. The Marshals have a Fugitive Recovery Task Force who start at one end of the Valley and work their way back to LA where the Marshall who handled me was based. They do this at least once a month. They visit addressed and people I was associated with. My grown children received monthly visits from them telling them its best to try and get me to turn myself in and blah blah.
They pulled a girl who is a life long friend of my wifes over in an unregistered truck her uncle owned. She had her mentally retarded son with her. She was taking him to school. There was a time when I had stayed at her home. The Marshals were given this info. They pulled her over and they told her if she told them where we were(wife and I run together..codefendants) they would let her drive off in the unregistered vehicle. If she didn't the truck was going to be towed. She was left on the side of the road with her retarded son.
That was an expensive week. I worked things out with her uncle and paid the amount he was out.
Not everyone is as solid. I know who ratted us out. A local who we considered a "Friend" had a state case and turned informant. We were renting a house back in Aug 2018. He was friendly with the owner of the house. He was with the owner when he came to do a repair.
The next morning the street was closed off and the house surrounded. Palm Springs is a small town when it comes to locals. The guy had heard we were on the run and house hopping. Everything is for rent. We had gotten adept at staying off the radar. Doing what I was doing at the time makes it easy to do so.
The guy called his handler and told him he knew the whereabouts of 2 federal fugitives. The Marshals were at the local PD a few hours later to be briefed on things by the snitch. He gave them a layout of the house. Told which bedroom we slept in. Where I sat with my laptop, etc.
I know this because the guy who owned the home made a claim on his homeowners insurance to repair damages he said were made by LE when the entered the home. We always have cameras pointed in several directions(they knew this also) and we came out after making a few calls to have my son come and secure our belongings. He was outside before we were taken away.
Anyway, the home owners insurance company wanted proof that LE had caused the damage etc so he obtained a police report of the incident. In the report it spoke to how the local PD lent a supportive role to the Marshals. It talked about and named our "Friend" turned snitch and how he alerted local PD to our whereabouts and how he met with US Marshals to aid them with intel.
So, LE does in fact use sites like meso, FB and other sites where criminals are known to hang. The Marshal told me that morning he tried to locate me through my posts and the post of others.
Its grown up stuff going on here fellas.
I served a 10 month violation behind the wall for that class C violation. There isn't a penalty for running and not showing up for the court date to violate me, per say. I may have been given the low or medium end of the guidelines if I had turned myself in voluntarily and not the 10 months I got.(guidelines called for 4 to 10 months) The key is not to pick up new charges while running which people often do. I did not. That violation killed my paper and brought to a close my case from 2008. It was a long ride.

I've said it before, I would pay good money for your hardcover auto biography.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

I've said it before, I would pay good money for your hardcover auto biography.

Exactly. The stories are all good and he’s got a good writing style.

But imagine being the poor editor that has to condense it all into something that actually fits into a reasonable sized book!

 

[Eman]

Exactly. The stories are all good and he’s got a good writing style.

But imagine being the poor editor that has to condense it all into something that actually fits into a reasonable sized book!

The editor would definitely have work ahead of them... Ben could make a fucking cool bio though.

 

[Joe Morgan]

Agreed. Is Rapier a former customer of Stans? If he is I understand his making this alt acct to bring forth his issues. If he has stated this then I missed it.
If he isn't a customer, formerly or presently, then is everyone ok with his posting behind an alt acct?
If he isn't a customer now or previously, what is he afraid of? I've gone after sources with a customer base 10 times the size of Stans using my original handle. Is he afraid of the backlash from members?
Rapier posted a thread started by a member about myself a few years back. The member attempted to "Out me". If we were all sitting in a large auditorium having Town Hall type meeting that member would likely have not made it to his car safely.
The member was labeled a snitch and subsequently left meso only to return with a different handle. I believe he has since returned to posting under his original handle as things have a way of blowing over.
Its a good read...especially because its about me. At the time I was on the run from the feds with an outstanding warrant for a Supervised Release Violation.
The US Marshal who had me on his caseload used Meso to try and pinpoint my whereabouts. It wasn't like there was a manhunt for me because I escaped from prison. The Marshals have a Fugitive Recovery Task Force who start at one end of the Valley and work their way back to LA where the Marshall who handled me was based. They do this at least once a month. They visit addressed and people I was associated with. My grown children received monthly visits from them telling them its best to try and get me to turn myself in and blah blah.
They pulled a girl who is a life long friend of my wifes over in an unregistered truck her uncle owned. She had her mentally retarded son with her. She was taking him to school. There was a time when I had stayed at her home. The Marshals were given this info. They pulled her over and they told her if she told them where we were(wife and I run together..codefendants) they would let her drive off in the unregistered vehicle. If she didn't the truck was going to be towed. She was left on the side of the road with her retarded son.
That was an expensive week. I worked things out with her uncle and paid the amount he was out.
Not everyone is as solid. I know who ratted us out. A local who we considered a "Friend" had a state case and turned informant. We were renting a house back in Aug 2018. He was friendly with the owner of the house. He was with the owner when he came to do a repair.
The next morning the street was closed off and the house surrounded. Palm Springs is a small town when it comes to locals. The guy had heard we were on the run and house hopping. Everything is for rent. We had gotten adept at staying off the radar. Doing what I was doing at the time makes it easy to do so.
The guy called his handler and told him he knew the whereabouts of 2 federal fugitives. The Marshals were at the local PD a few hours later to be briefed on things by the snitch. He gave them a layout of the house. Told which bedroom we slept in. Where I sat with my laptop, etc.
I know this because the guy who owned the home made a claim on his homeowners insurance to repair damages he said were made by LE when the entered the home. We always have cameras pointed in several directions(they knew this also) and we came out after making a few calls to have my son come and secure our belongings. He was outside before we were taken away.
Anyway, the home owners insurance company wanted proof that LE had caused the damage etc so he obtained a police report of the incident. In the report it spoke to how the local PD lent a supportive role to the Marshals. It talked about and named our "Friend" turned snitch and how he alerted local PD to our whereabouts and how he met with US Marshals to aid them with intel.
So, LE does in fact use sites like meso, FB and other sites where criminals are known to hang. The Marshal told me that morning he tried to locate me through my posts and the post of others.
Its grown up stuff going on here fellas.
I served a 10 month violation behind the wall for that class C violation. There isn't a penalty for running and not showing up for the court date to violate me, per say. I may have been given the low or medium end of the guidelines if I had turned myself in voluntarily and not the 10 months I got.(guidelines called for 4 to 10 months) The key is not to pick up new charges while running which people often do. I did not. That violation killed my paper and brought to a close my case from 2008. It was a long ride.

with all the attention you bring to law-enforcement here how many times do you think LE went fishing for other people or sources here while looking for you?

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

with all the attention you bring to law-enforcement here how many times do you think LE went fishing for other people or sources here while looking for you?

www.thinksteroids.com the website doesn’t give it away.

It’s been around for almost 20 years?

Sources here have been busted.

And it’s google indexed for real easy searching.

Nope, LE never would have been here w/o biggerben causing all this ruckus.

 

[MadBret]

Agreed. Is Rapier a former customer of Stans?

He did say that he was a former customer.

 

[justanoob]

He did say that he was a former customer.

But I think it was confirmed a few pages back that he made this alt account even before floatergate... which shoots down his story about creating this account to ruin Stan, after he started looking into home brewing after the floaters from Sym