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[JackHoffman]

Ya though no notice on muscle mass or gains. I’m just starting to eat some decent amount of calories again and get my strength back and further than its been before. If not sides basically all I’m saying why not go all in you know? Its test. Not tren. I mean i would want to increase say 125mg at a time see how it goes but I’m asking how long should I wait before increasing the dose?

 

[dafqu1]

ur not going to notice anything to around week 4 and you might not notice anything on 125mg thats a trt doset at best will put u in normal upper ranges 700-900 ng/dl

 

[lukiss96]

Define goal trt or cycle first.

 

[jankoch]

Depending on the laws its might be a good idea to have at least 1 year of supply from everything...

 

[accidentaljedi173]

No, just feels only been a week but so far no problems. Hoping this is how its gonna be. Not sure if I notice much else just maybe a little more well being but honestly I think Cialis was enough amazingly. I was a little afraid to mess with just my bupropion and cialis now. Like i know cialis isnt anti depressant but maybe just the blood flow and all.

You should get blood work before you start for baseline, then around 5-6 weeks get them again to know how you respond. Which is when you could titrate up and dial in an ai which again would require more blood work. Keep an eye on blood pressure as well.

 

[Mishka]

Test E and Aromasin - not more not less.

 

[JackHoffman]

Did anyone start to feel gyno symptoms on 500mg/week or 250mg/week? If so, how long was it after your first injection did it occur?

 

[accidentaljedi173]

Did anyone start to feel gyno symptoms on 500mg/week or 250mg/week? If so, how long was it after your first injection did it occur?

I didn't need an AI on 250mg but have just recently started an ai for 500mg. I have no symptoms on either dose.

 

[JackHoffman]

Right. I’m trying to find out if I was to have gyno symptoms how long would that usually become apparent? Sigh. Not really getting the answer I’m looking for…. Is this something that happens immediately after injection or further down the road like 1-2 weeks or what? Because so far nothing. Trying to clear the way for 500mg blast or something since if I can handle that, I may just do that rather than wait and see how everything is at 250. Why was time?

u shouldnt take an AI if theres no symptoms unless its out of range in your blood test though I would think. I’m not going to.

 

[accidentaljedi173]

Right. I’m trying to find out if I was to have gyno symptoms how long would that usually become apparent? Sigh. Not really getting the answer I’m looking for…. Is this something that happens immediately after injection or further down the road like 1-2 weeks or what? Because so far nothing. Trying to clear the way for 500mg blast or something since if I can handle that, I may just do that rather than wait and see how everything is at 250. Why was time?

u shouldnt take an AI if theres no symptoms unless its out of range in your blood test though I would think. I’m not going to.

You really won't know when or if symptoms come at you until you try it an find out. I can't say there's a specific time frame, just keep proper meds on hand just in case, and follow proper protocol. Good luck brother

 

[FortyFiveLbs]

For every 250mg of test on a blast I use 1/4th of a pill and keeps me in check.
On trt 250mg a week a maybe use 1/4th of a pill every 15 days or so

You use Letro as your main ai on a blast, or use it to nuke gyno then carry on with asin or adex? I'm getting some Letro going on my current blast as the gyno in my right nip has flaired up, been taking 12.5mg pfizer asin eod no different than I have on my prior blasts and I'm not responding for shit for shit, E2 still coming back well over 60. Adex doesn't do shit for me either.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

You use Letro as your main ai on a blast, or use it to nuke gyno then carry on with asin or adex? I'm getting some Letro going on my current blast as the gyno in my right nip has flaired up, been taking 12.5mg pfizer asin eod no different than I have on my prior blasts and I'm not responding for shit for shit, E2 still coming back well over 60. Adex doesn't do shit for me either.

Taking as a usual AI.
Benefit ? It slowly nuked my gyno who I had years ago!! It isn’t there anymore and doesn’t seem to get back!!
Was a nasty gyno adex at 1mg ED plus low test and Masteron did nothing.
Couple 1/4’s of letro and HIGH TEST blast nuked my gyno reversed it and keep me E2 perfectly in check.

 

[FortyFiveLbs]

Taking as a usual AI.
Benefit ? It slowly nuked my gyno who I had years ago!! It isn’t there anymore and doesn’t seem to get back!!
Was a nasty gyno adex at 1mg ED plus low test and Masteron did nothing.
Couple 1/4’s of letro and HIGH TEST blast nuked my gyno reversed it and keep me E2 perfectly in check.

Fuckin eh, that’s good to hear. Must be nice! Def gonna give that a go and see how it shapes up, cheers brother.

 

[Aheio]

Anyone able to help me create a list of things I need for a first cycle or self prescribed TRT?

Just looking to try about 250mg of test per week taken two times a week. And go from there. Also, where do I get needles/syringes and what else do I need that I can’t think of? Or do you think I should just get on TRT and take advantage of that first? It just seems expensive and I may want to use more testosterone than what they would want to keep me at.

Here’s my rough draft of things to get:

Aromasin 12.5x50x2

Letrozole 2.5mgx50

Cialis 5mgx50

Test c 250 mct 12ml x2

And/or

Test E 250 grape x2 12ml

Hcg 2500iu …this seems expensive but necessary either for PCT or just during. But 2500iu is not even going to be enough for a week PCT and where I saw it, it was $25. So 10 weeks its $250 for HCG alone? Or just save it for PCT and deal with a shrunken nut sack?

I would like to have clomid on hand.

Anavar 25mg x 50 (probably not gonna use it)

Nolvadex 20mg x50

Are you just looking into doing TRT? Because actual trt doses are below 250.
I would not go through a TRT clinic unless you have the money for it. You can easily get it from a good source here. You can keep aromasin or adex on hand but you probably won’t need it at that dose. Letro you don’t need at all. Cialis is good, Anavar I would wait until you get a better understanding of how your body responds to trt. But it’s a good mild add on.
I would not pct trt is long term. As Rich Piana would say a smaller nut sack makes your dick look bigger.
Amazon
Alcohol swabs
Insulin syringes
Syringes

 

[JackHoffman]

No I’m on 500 test per week and no sides. Been about 5 or six weeks now. It also doesn’t seem to have done much for my gym performance as of yet. So I probably will add something else, either more test, anavar, hgh or another injectable im thinking maybe EQ. But im gonna go a full six weeks and get bloods first.

 

[Jsdaking1]

Oh boy

 

[JackHoffman]

I said you won't need it period.


You could have the worst aromatization genetics in the world and still would have no reason to use letro.
You're not taking nearly enough test to even need an 8th of a tab a week. You won't be able to dose it, you don't know what you're doing, so you'll end up absolutely tanking you e2 with any dose of letro.

Ya as an update, I’ve been taking 500 test E for 6+ weeks with HCG 1000iu per week with no estrogen symptoms. Haven’t needed an AI or anything. I’m about to get my bloods back. Actually just waiting on the test and IGF-1 results. My estradiol was 131. Super high. No symptoms though. Everything else was in range but maybe on the high end. I assume my test level is pretty high. I haven’t noticed much in the gym to be honest. Just a little stronger, more resilient maybe. Honestly, ready to kick it up a notch. And already am. Might go 750. But for now I added 50mg Anavar per day, and 2iu Hgh per day along with the 500 test E. I think I’m noticing the Anavar though already. Only day 3.

 

[JC Grifter]

Did anyone start to feel gyno symptoms on 500mg/week or 250mg/week? If so, how long was it after your first injection did it occur?

Just a heads up… don’t constantly check your nipples to see if they’re getting sensitive to the touch. If you do, you will cause them to be sensitive and mistake it for gyno.

 

[Pulpfiction]

Ya as an update, I’ve been taking 500 test E for 6+ weeks with HCG 1000iu per week with no estrogen symptoms. Haven’t needed an AI or anything. I’m about to get my bloods back. Actually just waiting on the test and IGF-1 results. My estradiol was 131. Super high. No symptoms though. Everything else was in range but maybe on the high end. I assume my test level is pretty high. I haven’t noticed much in the gym to be honest. Just a little stronger, more resilient maybe. Honestly, ready to kick it up a notch. And already am. Might go 750. But for now I added 50mg Anavar per day, and 2iu Hgh per day along with the 500 test E. I think I’m noticing the Anavar though already. Only day 3.

How do you feel since adding the 2 iu of gh, have you always ran it or is this something you just added. I’ve never ran growth, just ghrp’s and thinking about adding in 2 iu